Epicmafia

Unfair meta: "I would never kill X"

almost 10 years

I have a question, a rather noob question, so feel free to insult my intelligence. It is, however, a rhetorical question, given that I write it with the presumption that this practice is unfair :

Why is it ok for players (especially experienced players, let's call them Y) to say "I would never kill X" in a game?

This meta, which has nothing to do with the current game assumes that players in the game are aware of some implicit social capital that has been built over many months (if not years) between X and Y.

In the scenario that this is true, it puts new players (not Y) at an undue dis-advantage. As maf, if they kill X without knowledge of past relationships, they are automatically clearing some players in the table who meta-clear themselves instantly.

I do not propose that this is illegal, but rather that it shouldn't be used by experienced players as it gives them an unfair advantage. I realize this is a slippery slope argument, but the lines have to be drawn somewhere.

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

pretty much everyone besides the person being "meta cleared" by something like that hates it in game

deletedalmost 10 years

lol ok this was made bc i was playing with him on falling last night and shroom and i were saying we would not n1 tHE HOST AND ONE OF OUR FRIENDS.

anyways he hated it in game and now is making threads. fun.

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

JM123 says

whenmyheartbreaks says

JM123 says

some people play epicmafia, others play epicmeta. it's up to you

meta is the defining factor in the mafia experiment and that has been proven for decades.

obviously. but there are people that instantly mark clears based on the n1 kill like this thread is talking about. I don't think that's right

there are people that literally believe meta is either voodoo or entire BS though. its important to note that self stated kill meta does not reflect the usefulness or uselessness of meta

deletedalmost 10 years

From my last 'promises' thread I learned that it's better to not believe any meta. Although you think it's unfair, it should only be banned if done in multiple games OR if used to clear a big number of players in a table.

JM123

almost 10 years

whenmyheartbreaks says

JM123 says

some people play epicmafia, others play epicmeta. it's up to you

meta is the defining factor in the mafia experiment and that has been proven for decades.

obviously. but there are people that instantly mark clears based on the n1 kill like this thread is talking about. I don't think that's right

deletedalmost 10 years

I kill top of the list.

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

yes. its a dumb move. dont be my friend i will kill you off errytime

deletedalmost 10 years

Better yet everyone should stop not killing their friends

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

you are literally throwing away your odds of winning the game by not taking meta into consideration. do not confuse meta with things that people say they would or wouldnt do, that is self meta. it can also be taken into consideration but much less reliably. know your enemy

deletedalmost 10 years

anon decks is everyone trying to figure out who's who

deletedalmost 10 years

mist says

so play anon decks in comp

I would rather mod than play anon decks

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

JM123 says

some people play epicmafia, others play epicmeta. it's up to you

meta is the defining factor in the mafia experiment and that has been proven for decades. if you think epicmafia is somehow different eat crow kid

JM123

almost 10 years

some people play epicmafia, others play epicmeta. it's up to you

deletedalmost 10 years

or better yet, play more dawnstart/daystart setups.

Escurai

almost 10 years

mist says

so play anon decks in comp

but i paid for my colours :(

deletedalmost 10 years

so play anon decks in comp

Harrold

almost 10 years

It's stupid though,

Player A dies

Player B says they will never kill Player A

Player C says why should we believe you?

Player D confirms Player B

Player D and Player B immediately get town reads on each other because Player B silently acknowledges that Player D would probably have a similar reason not to kill Player A.

Player C at this point has a very hard time in trying to get involved in the game.

I just think it's nonsense to allow that sort of play to continue, but whatever.

Harrold

almost 10 years

Edark says

I'd rather have people learning not to trust someone saying bs n1 meta than handing out vios to someone lying in a game about lying.

Unless they actually never lie about it, but then it falls under honest meta which is not allowed.

They don't lie about it 90% of the time.

Edark

almost 10 years

I'd rather have people learning not to trust someone saying bs n1 meta than handing out vios to someone lying in a game about lying.

Unless they actually never lie about it, but then it falls under honest meta which is not allowed.

dzanek1143

almost 10 years

Saying this thing in every game will increase your winrate I guess.

I remember DLYG every game I survive I say "I'm not yakked this time" and later "Y and Z didn't yak me". It helped a lot especially when I felt myself obvious scum and still survived for mafia win.

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

Venus says

The I wouldnt kill x shouldnt be allowed at all

like any other form of OGI, it isnt IF it is always true.

the players that believe it anyways, when it isnt always true... as a form of favoritism. that is the grey area that makes this practice so intolerable

whenmyheartbreaks

almost 10 years

Kaioxys says

There's no such thing as unfair meta. Meta itself is nonsense, and falls under the category of wifom.

im not sure you know what meta or wifom means

Mana

almost 10 years

Yeah. Also not killing people because they are your friends is very dumb

LaserVP

almost 10 years

Why yes this is a problem, and yes sometimes I will hard tunnel a person that does this...you kinda learn which ones are fake.

Sometimes you know for a fact a meta is wrong, and can use it against them. Usually a person who repeats it in the middle of day 1 is scum. Usually one who does it in the beginning as filler but never mentions it again is town.

Don't take it like a statement, but as filler or wifom. Which ever one it is up to how you read it.

Harrold

almost 10 years

Well. Whoever dies is actually unimportant, but talking about it from a social standpoint is a bit dumb.