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believing in victims

over 8 years

greetings epicmafia community,

I think we need a good discussion on believing in victims.

Recently, I noticed that more and more people are being wrongly accused of sexual assault and ra/pe. There has been this growing sentiment where we must believe in such victims always even if there is no evidence.

without the presumption of innocence, colleges and police departments are ruining the lives of many people without any evidence, with just the words of a "victim".

college is one of the safest places for young women. it is not a bastion of sexual assault and other heinous crimes.

should "victims" always be believed?

yes

deletedover 7 years

i think being a victim is one of the most powerful things nowadays.... it's good when it's the truth and leads to real justice but lots of people abuse it now bc it's so easy and powerful and safe

bdog1321

over 8 years

daemons says

izzy says

daemons says

I am usually inclined to believe things I want to hear and disbelieve things I don't want to hear.

YEAH WE KNOW lmao

if you're implying that u don't do that either then you're wrong

Of course I don't.

but whatever happened I bet error did it

deletedover 8 years

izzy says

daemons says

I am usually inclined to believe things I want to hear and disbelieve things I don't want to hear.

YEAH WE KNOW lmao

if you're implying that u don't do that either then you're wrong

deletedover 8 years

daemons says

I am usually inclined to believe things I want to hear and disbelieve things I don't want to hear.

YEAH WE KNOW lmao

Arcbell

over 8 years

There's tremendous power in being able to simply lie and say you were abused by a public figure and have people for the most part give you the benefit of the doubt and sh*t on that public figure with no real consequences to you provided your claim is clever enough.

I'm surprised more don't take advantage of this.

deletedover 8 years

If I don't know the victim and their ways I'll need evidence.

I am usually inclined to believe things I want to hear and disbelieve things I don't want to hear.

Mhmmmm

over 8 years

I got sexually assulted once

deletedover 8 years

hey terry i think this thread is treading into some bad territory. i appreciate that you want to have a good discussion about controversial topics, but this thread especially could really trigger someone and make them uncomfortable. i'm sort of speaking for myself rn i guess, but i'll put myself out there and risk being labelled as an "sjw" right now.

i was sexually assaulted when i was 16, but it wasn't full-blown ra/pe. essentially, there was no evidence and it was my word against his. he wasn't punished at all, which makes sense in the justice system but to me personally since i was intensely affected by the incident, it felt very unfair. this thread definitely brings up some uncomfortable feelings for me. i'm not about to go kms or cry about it or whatever, i'm just saying you're kind of getting into bad territory right now that could really emotionally affect someone.

cezarus

over 8 years

I think we also need a good discussion on how we treat the victims

deletedover 8 years

at the current moment i believe in the victims of reading and responding sincerely to this thread

cub

over 8 years

and there's nobody who thinks you should always believe or disbelieve someone, context matters. your threads are about as crappy as that sexism quiz where your only choices are between two broad generalizations

cub

over 8 years

bdog1321 says

believing victims easily is less harmful than doubting them easily

is it less harmful to ruin someone's life over a false allegation

anyway there's nothing to discuss here, the law and customs exist: innocent until proven guilty. now, if you personally want to believe one party outside of the court of law, that's you and your opinion doesn't matter.

deletedover 8 years

MeetTerry says

Herredy says

Can you link the source? I can't find it.

I've found this though:

"Women ages 18-24 who are college students are 3 times more likely than women in general to experience sexual violence. Females of the same age who are not enrolled in college are 4 times more likely."

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/Sexual-Assault-Statistics-and-Myths

those are really bad sources. 1/4 or 1/5 college women are not going to be sexually assaulted. This statistic has been debunked literally numerous of times. This data comes from a study done by 2 colleges where the authors have since made it explicitly clear that these numbers should NOT be used nationwide.

those sites are the ones that are propagating the myth of "campus ra/pe culture"

in reality, the sexual assault rate for college women is roughly 1/60

it's still a lot, but phony statistics and bad reporting don't help a cause.

oh I found your source:
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5176

hmmm ok the statistics from the bad sources were overblown.

You've got to note the last line though

" and sexual assault victimizations of students (80%) were more likely than nonstudent victimizations (67%) to go unreported to police."

MeetTerry

over 8 years

Herredy says

Can you link the source? I can't find it.

I've found this though:

"Women ages 18-24 who are college students are 3 times more likely than women in general to experience sexual violence. Females of the same age who are not enrolled in college are 4 times more likely."

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/Sexual-Assault-Statistics-and-Myths

those are really bad sources. 1/4 or 1/5 college women are not going to be sexually assaulted. This statistic has been debunked literally numerous of times. This data comes from a study done by 2 colleges where the authors have since made it explicitly clear that these numbers should NOT be used nationwide.

those sites are the ones that are propagating the myth of "campus ra/pe culture"

in reality, the sexual assault rate for college women is roughly 1/60

it's still a lot, but phony statistics and bad reporting don't help a cause.

sl0nderman

over 8 years

A false accusation can be disastrous for someone's public image. Even if they are found to be innocent, they will still always been known to have been accused of sexual assault and people's views of them will always be skewed.

deletedover 8 years

MeetTerry says

DrPeePee says

I'd hardly say colleges are the safest places for women.

shame on you

at all walks of life, the risk of being a victim of sexual assault or ra/pe is the least for women enrolled in college.

source: federal bureau of justice statistics

Can you link the source? I can't find it.

I've found this though:

"Women ages 18-24 who are college students are 3 times more likely than women in general to experience sexual violence. Females of the same age who are not enrolled in college are 4 times more likely."

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/Sexual-Assault-Statistics-and-Myths

MeetTerry

over 8 years

DrPeePee says

I'd hardly say colleges are the safest places for women.

shame on you

at all walks of life, the risk of being a victim of sexual assault or ra/pe is the least for women enrolled in college.

source: federal bureau of justice statistics

deletedover 8 years

...don't they have trials for this...?

it's not one-sided...

...it's pretty much a breach of law if the police give out sentences to accused rapists without a trial...

I believe in the "innocent until proven guilty" saying. It's pretty much what I'd say in this case.

tl;dr Yeah I "doubt" the victims

deletedover 8 years

I don't think every guy has the intention of doing something heinous at a party or at a college. But when you mix in drugs and booze, bad things happen that normally won't.

You also have predators like any place. I'd hardly say colleges are the safest places for women.

MeetTerry

over 8 years

bdog1321 says

believing victims easily is less harmful than doubting them easily

they are not mutually exclusive

you have the right to be heard and have your case be investigated

no one has the right to be believed

DouradaGrelhada

over 8 years

Feminazi campus

bdog1321

over 8 years

believing victims easily is less harmful than doubting them easily

MeetTerry

over 8 years

opinions plz.