Epicmafia

Truth about Soft Claiming

over 9 years

Soft Claiming is not only very borderline metagaming, but, it's also very close to game throwing at the same time. Hear me out before your OCD kicks in and tells you to correct my spelling, you spurge out and take 5 seconds to retort to a comment that took much longer then 5 seconds to make, or you just want to fit in so you monkey see monkey do everyone who disagrees with me.

When you soft claim, ask yourself something. Who is going to know that you soft claimed? A few people will know, sure, but, those people could just as easily be mafia as it could be village, and thus the reread comes in. If you are a cop and you soft claim guilty on someone because you can't out as cop yet, that person is going to know that you are cop and they are going to kill you, while other people will miss the hint and most likely reread later and miss it again because if they could understand that it was a soft claim, they would of understood it in the first place. The question comes to mind. Why not just hard claim? You have nothing to hide and the only thing you hide from anyone by soft claiming is the truth, while you randomly give only the players focused on you, the advantage. This metagame tactic makes it clear that a more skilled player will win more often, but, it doesn't mean that more skilled player is going to be innocent, which brings up the question; is it worth handing the game to someone through metagaming if you could be game throwing some games and not others?

Think about it, essentially being able to spot a soft claim will give more intelligent players proper placement in the leader boards, but, you are willingly game throwing fifty percent of the time by doing so if people catch on. It's like using inside language or code so that only your friends can win, and you are cheating in front of everyone's face yet they don't realize it. Some people like me associate soft claims with attempts to communicate with mafia partners similar to whisper, and only your partner understands it. Because of that, I would be more likely to lynch a person if they are soft claiming no matter what they said.

After reading everything I wrote, is soft claiming cheating?

I didn't read everything, but no

I didn't read everything, but yes

Yes

deletedover 9 years

lol I completely missed the point about using meta. meta sucks anyway so yeah just don't use it

deletedover 9 years

IMHO some of this seems like a bit of a hasty generalization. i can see your point about hard claiming perhaps.

maybe to simplify it, it can come down to 3 points:
Is it cheating?
Is it gamethrowing?
Is it better to just hard claim?

for the first, it's not cheating. it's even part of the vocab thing (I'm pretty sure if you put "softed" in a game it will underline it and all that junk). it's out in the open, and saying it's cheating is like saying using english is cheating just because some people don't speak it fluently.

for the second, i was gonna say that it depends, but the soft claim itself is never a throw actually. a game throw (many people have false conceptions about this) is to INTENTIONALLY play against your win condition. soft claiming is an attempt to help town and therefore can't be explained as an intent to have town lose.

for the last, it's up for debate. like I said with the hasty generalization point earlier, I can counter the point of just mafia knowing with experiences of just the opposite. basically, hard claiming confirms you'll die, but confirms everyone knows your claim. soft claiming doesn't confirm you'll die, but doesn't confirm everyone will know your claim either.
meh, I guess it could be better to hard claim, but the possibility of the stars aligning on a soft claim will always cause someone to soft over hard claiming, despite statistical odds.

i think a good question to ask would be if it'd be better just to not claim at all, if you're soft claiming you must think there's a possibility you won't die the next night, so why not just not risk it and not claim at all?

deletedover 9 years

it's usually not gting but it depends on the situation tbh

LastProphet

over 9 years

sl0nderman says

What ever happened to the part where you said you were going to stop posting garbage threads

I said "words of wisdom". This thread isn't a word of wisdom.

Escurai

over 9 years

12 people who read everything are nerds

Hibiki

over 9 years

FP softclaiming and real softclaiming are two different things

Peta

over 9 years

LastProphet says

Soft Claiming is not only very borderline metagaming, but, it's also very close to game throwing at the same time.

Wow. That is an impressively condensed block of terrible thoughts. Way to start off with a bang.

sl0nderman

over 9 years

What ever happened to the part where you said you were going to stop posting garbage threads

whenmyheartbreaks

over 9 years

tl;dr

softclaiming is counterproductive in most circumstances, but by no means should it ever be against the rules.

when softclaiming is meta it will always be bad, because town can get thrown off by it and mafia will always be looking for it.

but when people get over soft claiming it could be good. meta will always be a part of the game tho

deletedover 9 years

LastProphet says

You didn't read it all the way yet you voted no instead. Are you afraid to show everyone how much of a crap bag you are?

I did read it all the way, no need to be this aggressive.

deletedover 9 years

Nah, i think spotting soft claim is necessary skill for any player. "essentially being able to spot a soft claim will give more intelligent players proper placement in the leader boards". Yeah, intelligent players should win more.

Shrub

over 9 years

Soft claiming in fancy pants is stupid 80% of the time anyway

LastProphet

over 9 years

You didn't read it all the way yet you voted no instead. Are you afraid to show everyone how much of a crap bag you are?

deletedover 9 years

Softclaiming isn't the same as using meta. When friends don't kill each other and don't check each other but gun each other and say "I wouldn't n1 my friend or I wouldn't kill my friend" and you know they've never done that in every game you've played with them, they're effectively cheating for a townread on them.