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Intelligence of the Common Man

LastProphet
over 8 years

I have played ranked games far too much long ago to not already know that this game is always going to have players fail and succeed fifty percent of the time, all the time. I'm tired. The common man lacks the ability to do certain task that are so simple, yet, crucial to the game. Someone says they know how to scum hunt, when in the end all I see is most people have approximately fifty percent wins and losses ALL THE TIME. The only players with more then that are always abusing the system. Some of the most intelligent players don't even get sixty percent win rates. The reason? The common man and the dynamics of the game.

Now I can sit here and we can all jerk each other off over why my opinion is valid while everyone else isn't, and why I'm right because I'm a higher rank or might makes right, ect.

Here is a list of problems with the common man and woman.

1 Inability to process of eliminate.

2 Wants to feel good more then they want to be correct, confusing feeling good with being correct.

3 Doesn't understand that their opinions value is equal to every other players opinion, unless they are clear, in which case they should realize that no one except the clear individuals opinion has any value.

4 Somehow offending someone is worse then actually hurting someone. If someone gets all their personal information leaked on the internet, it isn't as bad as how the person reacted toward everyone when they finally realized how stupid everyone is in the single moment they cared or will ever care about the opinions of others.

5 A lack of true self awareness. This one is very disturbing, but, people lack a true sense of self awareness. This causes them to be easy going and sheep, unless its something that makes them feel good. In which case they MUST FEEL GOOD.

This is only a small number. When I write my point of view, then I write the point of view of others, which I do in fact understand completely because how simply they are, it seems that the differences are so big that it's no wonder I can't communicate with a common person unless it has something to do with feeling good. Because that is all they relate to. "I want to be accepted so I can feel good", Says the common person. Why do you bring this into competitive?

Bonus Suggestion

Instead of just letting any idiot from training into competitive, they should have to be in the top twenty percent of people who have win loss ratios, with a minimum of one hundred games. I really dislike when someone joins a competitive game and votes someone because "they didn't make them feel good". If any common person understood the process of elimination, they would understand that they themselves should be eliminated, thus, making it a huge obstacle for them to understand. Thanks.

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Cody
over 8 years
I'm only going to address one point here and it's the point that you've brought up about people playing to make themselves "feel good."

This is a good point in isolation; people respond to incentives, and when you give them the incentive of a rush of dopamine, they will take it more often than not over an alternative that doesn't "feel as good." What does this mean in mafia games? If you can consistently make others feel good through your interactions with them, they will play with a bias towards your win condition, and in the long run your win rate (with the players that you butter up) will tend to be above 50%.

This is also why people respond to appeal to pathos so well. When you successfully (and correctly) read emotional appeal, you'll feel good about it more often than not because you'll feel that the appealer made some sort of deeper connection to you than simply winning an argument in a mafia game.
Kellyn
over 8 years
It's interesting, your post is. I understand your concern, but most of it would be representative bias - the belief that something happens more often than it really does simply because you experience it more. I believe that would fall under your common man beliefs? XD "A person always believes they are right." Also based on your post, my opinion about this being wrong is equally valid to your belief that this is the case. That's why I leave it my response as a neutral standpoint.

But keep it up; these types of posts are what bring the most discussion to the community, which is (after all) the purpose of a forum.
Arcbell
over 8 years
Post copypasta in this thread if you think the OP is just trying to justify the fact that he only has a 50% win rate with pseudo-intellectualism.
Arcbell
over 8 years
I read the OP's first few paras, then went and looked at his pie chart, and I was like OOOH, OKAY I GET IT NOW
FurioTigre
over 8 years
how would you know how more or less self aware you were to others? it doesnt make sense. You are thinking from your mind only, everyones mind works differently.
deletedover 8 years
nice, you didn't defend yourself at all and managed to make yourself look even more euphoric
LastProphet
over 8 years
Intro now you are just trying to justify yourself by expecting me to use slippery slope logic. Also Furio, you may be self aware, but, you aren't as self aware as others.
deletedover 8 years
reread the game, you literally said to the town who was in the 3 way with you "sorry elska you suck" after you hammered them incorrectly

i called who the maf was before i died, im srry ur ego gets in the way of your memory

you're literally saying "my mediocre win rate is up to chance, but other peoples' mediocre win rates are because they lack awareness" i really hope you're trolling because you're insufferable
JeffreyAaron
over 8 years

LastProphet says


pi314e271 says

Note: people get better over time

I used to have a 30/70 pie, but I improved it to 50/50. However, I have so many games at this point that even if I improve, I will never be able to increase my pie.

TL;DR This top 20% strat would let in the top 20% of people who had the best pies when that had few games.


Another example of the lack of self awareness these people have. He states that he use to have a pie of 30/70, but, "got better of time and it became 50/50".

I literally stated in my document that everyone over time gets 50/50 even if they started 70/30 instead unless they are cheating the system somehow.

I even stated the players top 20% should have a minimum game requirement to be in the top 20%, but, he ignored that because it didn't make him feel good.

JeffreyAaron
over 8 years
Lol!!!
deletedover 8 years
/r/iamverysmart
FurioTigre
over 8 years
maybe stop assuming things about people based off a few lines? i am self aware lol.
LastProphet
over 8 years
The problem FurioTigre is that the people do an old trick called the teapot calling the kettle black. It's a defense mechanism that people who aren't self aware, use, kind of like an animal that instinctual knows that it's in danger and has to run. The way it works is that when someone is lying, they call others liars instead. When someone is playing bad, they call others bad players. Look at the guy who spoke a while ago in my thread, trying to use a single game as an argument. Out of 100 games, what are the odds my luck will land on the same side every time? I could do that to any player in this game. I never even blamed town yet in his mind I did.
FurioTigre
over 8 years
This thread reeks of autism. And i'm high functioning aspergers myself. smoke up, play em, avoid the forums....

But if you want a legit answer, you are probably more intelluctual, just realise that and find people who are likewise to you. If you want an example, i'll rebuttal one of your points.

2 Wants to feel good more then they want to be correct, confusing feeling good with being correct.

this is called ego. you like to be correct more than feeling good. its ying and yang buddy, everyone can be defined by various degrees of emotion and logic.
deletedover 8 years
this is why I play unranked. I am right so thus I feel good.
LastProphet
over 8 years
I never blamed town. I already explained that games are still chance based no matter what anyone says. You people lack so much self awareness, ya'll think that whatever you fill in the blanks with to make sense of things, is somehow "always right". You were dead, you knew who was mafia. I was alive, I didn't.
deletedover 8 years
remember that game a few minutes ago where i carried but you still managed to hammer wrong and then blame town

cus i do
LastProphet
over 8 years

Satan says

who cares


Obvious lack of self awareness and drive for the pure desire to "feel good". "Who cares" he says so he can make himself feel better about the overwhelming conviction against him.
Satan
over 8 years
who cares
LastProphet
over 8 years

pi314e271 says

Note: people get better over time

I used to have a 30/70 pie, but I improved it to 50/50. However, I have so many games at this point that even if I improve, I will never be able to increase my pie.

TL;DR This top 20% strat would let in the top 20% of people who had the best pies when that had few games.


Another example of the lack of self awareness these people have. He states that he use to have a pie of 30/70, but, "got better of time and it became 50/50".

I literally stated in my document that everyone over time gets 50/50 even if they started 70/30 instead unless they are cheating the system somehow.

I even stated the players top 20% should have a minimum game requirement to be in the top 20%, but, he ignored that because it didn't make him feel good.
deletedover 8 years
Note: people get better over time

I used to have a 30/70 pie, but I improved it to 50/50. However, I have so many games at this point that even if I improve, I will never be able to increase my pie.

TL;DR This top 20% strat would let in the top 20% of people who had the best pies when that had few games.
BearGuru
over 8 years
neat.
deletedover 8 years
everyone is stupid except you