Thank you all for your opinions!

Sincerely says

Also, nice profile video. :^)

thank you

it's 60% to survive to final 3 or 50% given you roll town

Hardeffingworker, who is also justdance666, and I should have specified that he wasn't using it as an actual argument for why Dethy should be comped.

I see that the topic got less than a page of replies but that's because no one really thinks it'll ever be comped. If you've played actual competitive games, you probably see why.

Also, nice profile video. :^)

Yeah, that sounds correct. As you probably noticed, I didn't actually count or calculate it; just made an assumption without thinking it through. (In my defense, it's kinda late, and I haven't specifically been taught or looked into probability theory yet!)

Nonetheless, it's a pretty high chance. It's also a 1/5 of flipping mafia -- and this time I'm sure of it! -- which is bad luck because, again, the setup's statistically townsided.

As someone (I believe it was justdance666, but don't quote me on this) pointed out in the other thread, there are plenty of setups comped sometimes that don't necessarily deserve to be, but dethy's low player-count and lack of actually different scenarios make it pretty obvious why it's blacklisted imo. In case you didn't know, setups that commonly get played in ranked like Classic, Fancy Pants, and Guns & Hookers are blacklisted from competitive too.

Here's the other topic I mentioned, from Epicmafia Discussion:
https://epicmafia.com/topic/76780

edit: Forgot to answer the question about the hat! :) It's just something that gets attached to the usernames of anyone who mentors for the mentoring system offered for players who want it.

Also, I think you're sort of ignoring the points you can't refute here. I wouldn't do that if you want to be taken seriously. :P I think it's pretty much established that it isn't acceptable for comp so that's not to say I think you will ever be taken seriously about this; I'm not even sure if the creator of that other thread was being sincere or not.

Chances of getting n1ed or n2ed is 2/7 right? Wouldn't it be 1/4 + 1/3? But who cares about that... I care about why you have a hat next to your name. By the way feel free to prove my math wrong, I haven't learned probability in forever... Also, if anyone finds the forum post sincerely was talking about me please message me about where you found it!

The poll has just over half of the voters saying it's mafia-sided out of 9 players total, which is hardly an ample test case. The actual statistics indicate it's pretty town-sided, even though any screw-ups by mafia should be balanced out thoroughly by town's mistakes on LYLO, both in theory and in practice. The fact that it's town-sided isn't even why it's not a viable competitive setup. There has already been a thread about this, although I didn't read through much of it personally.

People don't want rounds decided by chance -- which is what will happen because there are so few players per game, next to zero discussion d1 (for a good reason), and a bunch of mostly-arbitrary cop reports that could give you anything from a three-way no-clears to a confirmed mafia without any scumhunting done. There's also almost no strategy required; the only mechanics that matter are the cop reports.

You like Dethy, right? Feel free to do the math yourself.

Sincerely says

Dethy could never be a comp game. It's a 5-player setup with 1 mafia. If you don't get n1ed or n2ed (which is 2/5), mafia could still be confirmed d3. It's just way too luck-based and small, and there are very few strategies that make any sense; also, a lot of people are very bad at dethy because the entire setup basically revolves around arithmetic and I'm pretty sure GTers could blend in to that crowd without any trouble at all. There are probably more points against it that I'm missing ATM.

It can be a fun setup in ranked, but it's not made for competitive.

I find it very funny how many people say it can't be a comp set up because its town sided... but my poll begs to differ ATM

You should be asking LeMeJoe, the Dethy Czar, for any Dethy related questions. =P

I kid. Good to see new faces getting involved in the Dethy scene.

If you ask them and they can't give you a strategic reason, it's reportable. If they can, it probably isn't. Game throw is technically supposed to be intentional.

You specified, "with good players," in which case I think it's very much townsided.

Dethy could never be a comp game. It's a 5-player setup with 1 mafia. If you don't get n1ed or n2ed (which is 2/5), mafia could still be confirmed d3. It's just way too luck-based and small, and there are very few strategies that make any sense; also, a lot of people are very bad at dethy because the entire setup basically revolves around arithmetic and I'm pretty sure GTers could blend in to that crowd without any trouble at all. There are probably more points against it but I can't think of them ATM.

I recommend taking time to try out other setups when you feel up to it, btw. There are plenty of cool/interesting ones around; they just aren't all hosted very often (at least outside of competitive). :3

Next time my format will be better! I am just getting used to this site. Thank for the replies and I want to share some of my opinions.

I think Dethy is a very fun set up, its all I play. I think scumhunting only works if you have an active chat and ussually there is always one who is making a chart or thinking, so it is very hard.

I also think Dethy is mafia sided based off my games of course. I have won 4/4 mafia games and lost 48% of my town games. This is a small sample of course as I have no played many games. I will probably touch back on this later.

I think Dethy should be a comp game because if you have a good mafia and get a little lucky you can easily get a win and same goes for town if they get good enough reports. Like all other set ups there is some luck into this.

Lastly, I do not know why players lie but it hasn't ruined a game yet. I just want to know if I can report for people lying.

dethy is a fun setup the first several times and then it becomes suddenly, utterly repetitive. It's townsided, not scumsided. You should obviously out your report day 1. Scumhunting exists everywhere to some extent, and even if there's little to go off of you can start by talking about reports and/or just picking an fos to get things going. Dethy is really bad for comp though.

It does provide practice scumhunting/towntelling/leading in 3 ways so yeah ofc, if not as much as playing other setups that have more complicated mechanics.

Lying about reports is not helpful or safe unless it's day 2 and you're clear anyway lol.

-as I've learned, dethy is town sided with good players. they can sense faulty logic and get it down to 1-2 possibilities most of the time. the game is literally giving you all the information you need to win, you just have to sort it out yourself :^)
-definitely not. someone dies that night, one less report to work with. mafia isn't good enough to kill based off of d1 reports anyway
-by definition you can always scum hunt, given scum will always have the pressure of knowing that they are lying (report consistency is a big deal here)
-it has been before right? im wit it
-honestly no not really IMO, besides hunting for reactions (a rare find in dethy), you don't use the same concepts here. it's mostly mathematical from what I've played.
-uh, why lie? if you're mafia go right on ahead but definitely don't lie to get reactions, especially on d1 where you won't be able to take it back.
-no problem and I hope this format is readable, if you need further help as LeMeJoe because I suck at dethy ;^)

more often than not it's basically a final 3 with one clear which is inherently townsided

If you think Dethy is not town or mafia sided just vote what you think is most, or don't vote at all... I forgot to add neither.