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Is it gt to claim when its auto?

over 8 years

Well whole question did not fit in to title.

Lets say we are in day and 5 players are alive. There is only one cop but there are cop ccs. As you know, this is auto. But one of the town players go afk/veg. In this case, town can choose to kl and try their chances in last day, destroying autowin or veg him and leave the game.

When I'm the maf in that situation, happened few times, I think town deserves to win already since they got it to auto and I claim maf. I say lets get the veggie guy kl'd then you get me. I want to learn if this is appropriate so I dont get Gt vio.

deletedover 8 years
they should reward you for that not give you a vio
over 8 years
You're being an honourable player, showing respect to the game, and the game is over at that point if everyone's there anyway, so I would never punish you for doing this

But that's just one man's opinion

AdrenalineMime says

what happens if the town begs the mafia to claim and give up? is that mass-encouraging rule breaking? on one hand it's not different from any other scenario where town straight up asks mafia to give up, but on the other hand it's appealing to ignorance of a rule (evidenced by this thread)


Then shouldn't saying that someone is reported for GT be OGI...?
over 8 years
what happens if the town begs the mafia to claim and give up? is that mass-encouraging rule breaking? on one hand it's not different from any other scenario where town straight up asks mafia to give up, but on the other hand it's appealing to ignorance of a rule (evidenced by this thread)
over 8 years
in an ideal world this wouldn't be GT but vilden's right
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vilden says

I would give you a vio every time in that scenario. It's GT and a vio here promotes "playing to win," (which fixes broader problems like not hammering friends). I'd rather help a broader picture than give a pass for being a "good sport." Imagine winning as maf there -- youd get respect. And town would end up getting HC in post game when they rage. so you're doing massive noob clean up


to be totally honest, you're an ...
over 8 years

Cody says


vilden says

I would give you a vio every time in that scenario. It's GT and a vio here promotes "playing to win," (which fixes broader problems like not hammering friends). I'd rather help a broader picture than give a pass for being a "good sport." Imagine winning as maf there -- youd get respect. And town would end up getting HC in post game when they rage. so you're doing massive noob clean up


rationale is that the game is functionally over so there is nothing to throw


nope, game is functionally over in post game or if it unranks. if mafia can still win (in this case he can as i've done it before) then they should still be looking for ways to win. it's not hard to notice an afk player who could be kl'd. not vio'ing the maf here just encourages bad play to continue being bad

i get the site is super casual now and it's cuz mods + the community are so willing to forgive
over 8 years

vilden says

I would give you a vio every time in that scenario. It's GT and a vio here promotes "playing to win," (which fixes broader problems like not hammering friends). I'd rather help a broader picture than give a pass for being a "good sport." Imagine winning as maf there -- youd get respect. And town would end up getting HC in post game when they rage. so you're doing massive noob clean up


rationale is that the game is functionally over so there is nothing to throw
over 8 years
one time i claimed mafia in autolose and they kl'd the afk doc on the ml. never did that ever again
deletedover 8 years
Hi Sinek. I'd like to remind you that I am your mentor, and if you have any game-related questions like these I'd be more than happy to answer them. Just shoot me a pm!
over 8 years

harodihg says

For reference, in the game where Private was on cloudkicker's account and he Pmd another player Mafia that player suicided rather than play it out. That's technically GRS - which one of you anti-fun scumlords wants to go report her for that?


this is incredibly different
over 8 years
theoretically no but you shouldn't ever outright claim mafia and should hope for town's stupidity to let you win somehow.
over 8 years
I would give you a vio every time in that scenario. It's GT and a vio here promotes "playing to win," (which fixes broader problems like not hammering friends). I'd rather help a broader picture than give a pass for being a "good sport." Imagine winning as maf there -- youd get respect. And town would end up getting HC in post game when they rage. so you're doing massive noob clean up
over 8 years
for me I like to think about it like this: if I'm mafia in auto-loss and an AFK blue is vegging, by letting him veg and deny 6-7 town players a win that they deserved I'm doing a small service to my other two mafia partners. By being a good sport, KLing the blue to keep the game ranked, and giving up the win, I'm doing a service to the 6-7 people who had technically already won the game and a small disservice that otherwise would have occurred to my teammates in the first place under normal circumstances.

I would never rule this as GT. I believe that this represents playing respectfully and with integrity, rather than pettily because "I don't want to ruin my pie."

an interesting follow-up question to consider; when the mafia is confirmed in a MYLO situation and a town is going to veg. This is a grey area that I think deserves some attention, as KLing here gives the mafia the chance to win the game again but at the cost of personal player integrity (because without the KL mafia would have lost). I think it's a harder question to answer and I don't have a particularly strong inclination to either side here, though would be willing to talk about it.
deletedover 8 years
They're still fruit and most of you just use the report system to be petty about stupid sh*t anyway or act like the rules are your 10 commandments and if you don't righteously report any wrongdoing Jesus himself will come down and smite you

Town had already won the game, the game was effectively over
over 8 years

harodihg says

For reference, in the game where Private was on cloudkicker's account and he Pmd another player Mafia that player suicided rather than play it out. That's technically GRS - which one of you anti-fun scumlords wants to go report her for that?

https://epicmafia.com/report/179898






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deletedover 8 years
For reference, in the game where Private was on cloudkicker's account and he Pmd another player Mafia that player suicided rather than play it out. That's technically GRS - which one of you anti-fun scumlords wants to go report her for that?

https://epicmafia.com/report/179898
deletedover 8 years
yeah you'd get a loss for it and your partner might be unhappy but the game was played out and town had already effectively obtained their win. I'd say 'technically' you'd be losing the game, but realistically you're not throwing you're just being a good sport - anyone that would give you a vio for that is an and shouldn't be a mod.
over 8 years
i mean, i think if you claimed mafia before you knew the guy was vegging, you probably wouldnt get a GT vio
deletedover 8 years
That's a controversial question but I would never openly claim. It a town wants to veg on auto then sucks for him and his town
over 8 years

Devante says

is claiming in that scenario instead of letting the player veg playing against your win conditions?


I take this as 'yes, its gt." thanks.
over 8 years
is claiming in that scenario instead of letting the player veg playing against your win conditions?