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Ridiculous rules

Porygon2z
over 8 years

Why?

There are people whose primary intention upon registering is to cheat together with another user and/or throw games. It is ridiculous that these people cheat across multiple games (not just one) and yet receive a 24h-suspension ONLY. The rules concerning that matter should be changed because you are responsible that such people just cheat through another 5-10 games the next day. In 1/3 (!) non-competetive games I stumble upon a couple or triple of cheaters and I honestly am not eager to lose or dislike every 3rd game I play on this great site.

Also, without trying to be offensive Cody: I know you are new to your mod's job and you are doing it pretty well, but you always deal with your own filed reports first, whereas there certainly is more important stuff to look at, such as cheaters for example. Idk how many times the player "Meants" was reported for his 15+ games cheat-streak and this disgrace to the EM community is STILL not banned, as far as I am concerned.

At least Cody is an active part of the gaming community itself and also processes many reports that are filed. So good job on that, dude :)

How to detect a group of people cheating?

Well, this is not as easy as it seems but there are a few aspects that point out that multiple people are cheating. See this as a scumhunting irl.^^

  1. Cheating users mostly registered directly after another
  2. They play multiple games together in a row or between bigger intervals without a "normal" game in between
  3. There is always one town taking all the wins, whereas the others throw if they flip maf or vice-versa
  4. They mostly don't have an avatar and also have quite similar names (camel case names for example)
  5. There are also people that actually are the same person. To detect this kind of scum, look for similar typographical aspects such as interpunctation, vocabulary, etc
  6. They know each other roles, so watch out for point- and reasonless tunneling actions or quick hammers (either ISPing before or talking )

That's all for now, if I find anything important that I forgot, I will edit this post with a timestamp. Feel free to comment! :)

Kerry
over 8 years

biIly says

let me tell you something cheaters are blatantly obvious in these fancy pants games but no mod is going to waste their life playing that crappy setup to find them. so really it is up to the users to report them but the average fancy pants playing noob is not gonna have the awareness that there is cheating going on. so unfortunately there is not much you can do. i respect the mods for their efforts in the competitive round by banning all 3 cheating a$$holes, that was impressive. but as for the red hearts, there is not much you can do unless some genius builds a bot which flashes up people playing lots of games together. mod can then go and investigate those games.

billy out


Actually, I bother.
deletedover 8 years
let me tell you something cheaters are blatantly obvious in these fancy pants games but no mod is going to waste their life playing that crappy setup to find them. so really it is up to the users to report them but the average fancy pants playing noob is not gonna have the awareness that there is cheating going on. so unfortunately there is not much you can do. i respect the mods for their efforts in the competitive round by banning all 3 cheating a$$holes, that was impressive. but as for the red hearts, there is not much you can do unless some genius builds a bot which flashes up people playing lots of games together. mod can then go and investigate those games.

billy out
Porygon2z
over 8 years
First of all: Stop beeing sarcastic, the ones of you who were. If you have nothing to contribute, you should just be quiet.

Cody:

Okay, sorry for the inconvenience, I think I misunderstood some of your actions there. I will try to analyse as much games as possible and post the analysis in the respective report in the future.

There is one point I disagree with you though:, Most of those "first-time cheaters" are newly created accounts. I don't think anyone who checks out this site for the first time and registers, plans to cheat in a game. So it is most likely that those people are also alternative accounts of banned ones.
deletedover 8 years
Too read; didn't long.
Cody
over 8 years
I meant to keep this particular report in the in-progress section. I made a little mistake when moving reports around earlier today.

https://epicmafia.com/report/178927

If you find more games please add them to the report.

When users are cheating together it is highly likely that they are cheating over multiple games, but for the occasional first time cheater we want to show some lenience because they may have just made a genuine mistake.

I also "deal with my own filed reports" first because those are reports for which I am banning pairs of cheaters with. I'm not cherry picking reports to handle, I'm banning multiple users when I do that. Furthermore, moderators do not self-mod game reports.
Shrub
over 8 years
I don't think they should be punishing more for cheating before they work out how to punish people who are actually cheating first.
Escurai
over 8 years
Wtf He's not a mod yet???!?!?!? HIRE THIS MAN
Endorphins
over 8 years
Quality post. Very informative. Make this man admin.