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for a best and worst thing about u personally

edit: now only doing "worst" thing about you

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Devante says


Calvin says


BillStickers says

for example, maybe all the threads on the mod forums w/r/t how to do your job as a mod shouldn't be on the one site where abc can delete them whenever he feels like it

google docs have been a thing for over a decade smarten up guys


they already have that.

the point is half the current ones dont read them and don't know how to mod


i mean personable wise they aren't awful, and that's all that really matters, most of their biggest problems atm is not knowing how to interpret certain rules or w/e or over moderating it, but no one on this team is too insufferable which is a good thing


ye im not saying they're sh*tty people or anything, they just dont know how to moderate reports properly lol
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arguing with tatami is like arguing with a brick wall.
the rule was written to show it could and was being expanded, so it fixed an error.
if it wasn't needed and didnt fix an error than it wouldnt have been altered in the first place
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Krystal is literally arguing my point for me and doesn't even realize it this is great.
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Calvin says


BillStickers says

for example, maybe all the threads on the mod forums w/r/t how to do your job as a mod shouldn't be on the one site where abc can delete them whenever he feels like it

google docs have been a thing for over a decade smarten up guys


they already have that.

the point is half the current ones dont read them and don't know how to mod


i mean personable wise they aren't awful, and that's all that really matters, most of their biggest problems atm is not knowing how to interpret certain rules or w/e or over moderating it, but no one on this team is too insufferable which is a good thing
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tell me
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BillStickers says


Devante says


BillStickers says

even with phil being phil there are so many things that could be done to help this site run more efficiently and no one really cares to take any initiative; the title of admin at this point has effectively become "head mod" and that's stupid


been saying this for months, my biggest pet peeve on this site is when people bring up lucid into discussions about rule change, the hc rule literally does not need to be moderated the way it is, and until people realize that if it's changed lucid can't do sht because he's not gonna moderate the site himself the rules will continue to be overly enforced, and the site will be annoying to play because literally anything can get u a vio





is this the only thing you care about or something because i wasn't talking about hc at all


yes lol i want to be able to say slurs
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Krystal the point is that the written rule determined what was modded.

It was ambiguous.

Me/mango's rewrite was significantly less ambiguous.

My quotes of Vilden are him saying that the rule-mango/I's rule-broadened the current ("Trying to get rid of free speech" etc.)

This is untrue. This is my argument.

Everything else you are arguing is irrelevant.
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Devante says


BillStickers says

even with phil being phil there are so many things that could be done to help this site run more efficiently and no one really cares to take any initiative; the title of admin at this point has effectively become "head mod" and that's stupid


been saying this for months, my biggest pet peeve on this site is when people bring up lucid into discussions about rule change, the hc rule literally does not need to be moderated the way it is, and until people realize that if it's changed lucid can't do sht because he's not gonna moderate the site himself the rules will continue to be overly enforced, and the site will be annoying to play because literally anything can get u a vio





is this the only thing you care about or something because i wasn't talking about hc at all
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BillStickers says

even with phil being phil there are so many things that could be done to help this site run more efficiently and no one really cares to take any initiative; the title of admin at this point has effectively become "head mod" and that's stupid


been saying this for months, my biggest pet peeve on this site is when people bring up lucid into discussions about rule change, the hc rule literally does not need to be moderated the way it is, and until people realize that if it's changed lucid can't do sht because he's not gonna moderate the site himself the rules will continue to be overly enforced, and the site will be annoying to play because literally anything can get u a vio
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gee golly jeepers it sure does suck how phil left us with such a vulnerable site; it's doubly unfortunate, however, that every other site on the internet is more vulnerable and thus we can't work around this issue
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Tatami says


Second, the rule was gradually being expanded over time due to how it was written. We weren't "already narrowing it". Over the course of time it was gradually being expanded in how it was moderated, taking the wording more and more literally. Our rewrite was narrower than it was currently being moderated, in that my viewpoint specified earlier is justified in more cases with how it was moderated at the time than it would be in the rewrite though not necessarily correct (There is no singular "correct").





lmfao this is literally saying what i said, i said the rule changed OVER TIME and you guys modded it different? yes.
was the written rule changed to account for the different way it was handled? no.
who fixed this error? mangofruit.
idk what you arent understanding
the way you guys handled the rules changed, but did not change the way it was written SO mango did help fix that.
or is this all you trying to justify the hc vio which was not what i was referring to
other examples would be hima giving sweet HC for that picture and more
idk why youw rote that whole first paragraph about the vio u gave vilden i wasnt even referring to that BUT now youve brought it up it is another example of how the way the rule was modded was altered, but not articulated
sorry for spelling/grammer cba
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summer of unban
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"oh man abc deleted the list of banned users and ban expirations again what do we do now guys"
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BillStickers says

for example, maybe all the threads on the mod forums w/r/t how to do your job as a mod shouldn't be on the one site where abc can delete them whenever he feels like it

google docs have been a thing for over a decade smarten up guys


they already have that.

the point is half the current ones dont read them and don't know how to mod
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i thought this topic was ab vildens ops
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for example, maybe all the threads on the mod forums w/r/t how to do your job as a mod shouldn't be on the one site where abc can delete them whenever he feels like it

google docs have been a thing for over a decade smarten up guys
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BillStickers says

or pretty much anything, because every new admin that gets handed the keys gets told how the last person did it and follows them in lockstep because they're afraid of making waves by actually trying to improve the site


Don't encourage them to go offroading.
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i have an idea, let's not use words that are borderline offensive and not try to edgily push the boundaries
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krystalk says

lol are you being sarcastic... you guys were giving vios of HC and not being clear about it before she was even modded, then she wrote the rule you guys were already changing BUT not explaining the changes. Or am i wrong?


First off I never-at any point in time-explained WHY I gave Vilden the violation, ie. whether I believed it was how it was modded past or present. Every bit of speculation as to how/why I gave that vio is only that-I have given no statement on it other than that "It was my opinion that Vilden deserved the vio." Implicit in this is my viewpoint that Vilden's post qualified for HC under the definition at the time Note that I am the only one who thinks this presently.

Second, the rule was gradually being expanded over time due to how it was written. We weren't "already narrowing it". Over the course of time it was gradually being expanded in how it was moderated, taking the wording more and more literally. Our rewrite was narrower than it was currently being moderated, in that my viewpoint specified earlier is justified in more cases with how it was moderated at the time than it would be in the rewrite though not necessarily correct (There is no singular "correct").
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krystalk says


BillStickers says

i think it's weird that you guys go after the mods for writing rules in ways you guys dont like rather than going after the admins for not actually administrating


i think it's hard for the admins to crack down on their friends, so if they see their mods are not doing the right thing. So if the admin isnt doing anything the next step would be tell the mods, so maybe theyll see if their admin cant administrate or isn't willing to or whatever. butttt what do i know lol


nah it's not even that, i think the mods are doing a fine job of enforcing the written rules

it's just that the rules were written 3+ years ago and aside from minor tweaks no one's bothered to attempt to address the systemic problems that come from them

or the wildly inefficient and prone to bias ways that gold heart reports are handled

or pretty much anything, because every new admin that gets handed the keys gets told how the last person did it and follows them in lockstep because they're afraid of making waves by actually trying to improve the site
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BillStickers says

i think it's weird that you guys go after the mods for writing rules in ways you guys dont like rather than going after the admins for not actually administrating


i think it's hard for the admins to crack down on their friends, so if they see their mods are not doing the right thing they dont wannt seem "mean" or "strict" and dont crack down. So if the admin isnt doing anything the next step would be tell the mods, so maybe theyll see if their admin cant administrate or isn't willing to or whatever. butttt what do i know lol
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even with phil being phil there are so many things that could be done to help this site run more efficiently and no one really cares to take any initiative; the title of admin at this point has effectively become "head mod" and that's stupid
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the fix to HC is a list of disallowed words. nothing vague
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krystalk says

bill who are you talking to we are saying we appreciate she revised it and made it clear lololol


pretty much everyone that has a vocal opinion on the HC rule
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i'm talking about some argument that mango used on skype w/ devante to prove what i said was synonymous. no one else used it and all i'm saying is i liked the effort