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Zwink

deletedabout 9 years

It was originally proposed that Zwink showed signs of cheating, role sharing, and was aware of intentional throwing. As a result, a pastebin was compiled and appealed. The verdict is that Zwink was not cheating or role sharing, and that it is likely that she was not aware of any other foul play.

However, because of the sheer volume of games played with other users playing in her favour, the trophy cannot be given to her main accounts.

She will be allowed to continue her run on Astound.

Zwink
about 9 years
Not that it is anyone ones business, but I got called into work on an unnormal time frame compared to my normal schedule. I was still compliant with the time frame, appealed on time, and gave the odds any information they needed. Some things were brought up about people boosting my wins because people would hardly lynch me which I hadn't noticed was a big deal at the time, it was also found where people were throwing against me. Owl and I agreed TOGETHER that if that was the case I did NOT want the trophy. It was a mutual decision between the mods and I. Since none of those people had any thing to do with astound, and astound still did great and can Stoll potentially trophy, it was agreed upon that I could trophy attempt on that account under the circumstances that I don't play with friends to PROVE TO YOU PEOPLE that I don't cheat. Satisfied now? Owl can you please lock this thread now?
deletedabout 9 years
Regardless, it's not exactly a talking point considering she appealed in a timely manner.
deletedabout 9 years

hedger says

I'm glad!

Also on another note, how is it that Zwink claimed she did not have the time to defend herself from the allegations, yet played 130 games of competitive mafia in a single round??


I already brought that up.
hedger
about 9 years
I'm glad!

Also on another note, how is it that Zwink claimed she did not have the time to defend herself from the allegations, yet played 130 games of competitive mafia in a single round??
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hedger says


owl says




also direct correlation with his time spent as a role moderator


He won't be keeping that red star, thankfully.
vilden
about 9 years
those golden days
hedger
about 9 years

owl says




also direct correlation with his time spent as a role moderator
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Mori
about 9 years

johnreid says

I hope this precedent doesn't come back to haunt you guys in future rounds.


Well, do you have proof she was aware people were throwing for her? Otherwise, mods won't take an arbitrary decision. People who threw are getting the appropriate punishment.
hedger
about 9 years

Dreamquakes says


caroline says

i think she was aware. people who like runners specifically join the runners game to help them, the runner always knows


The thing is, attempting to carry a friend to victory is not the same as putting their wincon above your own.


except most smart players can work out the difference between a player doing their best to carry you and putting your win condition above their own.

If you continually get townread for absolutely no reason, or you know you haven't done enough to get townread, then it's really easy to tell that you're being thrown for.
Gerry
about 9 years
I think he means the 2 accounts suspended and one not suspended
vilden
about 9 years
it's always been this way and it's a good precedent imo. shivv had his trophy stripped for throws he didn't know about, ect
johnreid
about 9 years
I hope this precedent doesn't come back to haunt you guys in future rounds.
Mori
about 9 years

caroline says

i think she was aware. people who like runners specifically join the runners game to help them, the runner always knows


The thing is, attempting to carry a friend to victory is not the same as putting their wincon above your own.
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caroline says

i think she was aware. people who like runners specifically join the runners game to help them, the runner always knows


This logic is bad.
deletedabout 9 years
i think she was aware. people who like runners specifically join the runners game to help them, the runner always knows
Mori
about 9 years
This decision was taken because there was no proof that Zwink cheated or roleshared, but there was proof that people played in her favor, putting her win condition above theirs - Though mods decided to believe she wasn't aware of this. Even if she wasn't aware of it, it makes her round on Zwink and Mollywop invalid. Her games on Astound seem clean, that's why she's allowed to run on that account with close monitoring on the rest of her run.
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WOOPS SPILLED MY SALT
HexZero
about 9 years

johnreid says

This website is a joke.

ling
about 9 years

johnreid says

I like Zwink, I havent read the bin and I don't care.

What I don't get though is how 2 accounts are suspended and 1 isn't?

Like honestly you either have proof she cheated (In which case all alts get suspended). Or you do not have proof she cheated (In which case none of her alts should be suspended.)

This diplomatic/halfway punishment is a joke. BTW this isn't an opinion on the verdict as I haven't read it. The decision is just bizarre.


rofll
ling
about 9 years
oh god this is so stupid
ZeroFurrbone
about 9 years

johnreid says


xxerox says


johnreid says

I like Zwink, I havent read the bin and I don't care.

What I don't get though is how 2 accounts are suspended and 1 isn't?

Like honestly you either have proof she cheated (In which case all alts get suspended). Or you do not have proof she cheated (In which case none of her alts should be suspended.)

This diplomatic/halfway punishment is a joke. BTW this isn't an opinion on the verdict as I haven't read it. The decision is just bizarre.


Why the hell do you even put your opinion if you have not read a word of everything. It is explained why this half-assed punishment is given. Next time read before speaking.


Cause the decision is moronic. Like you, who reports people for inappropriate names when its an every day word.


Hitler is a name. An every day name. Hitler got banned. Why? Because it means one thing put people read it in another. Like Sex. If you ban Hitler, you ban Sex.
johnreid
about 9 years

xxerox says


johnreid says

I like Zwink, I havent read the bin and I don't care.

What I don't get though is how 2 accounts are suspended and 1 isn't?

Like honestly you either have proof she cheated (In which case all alts get suspended). Or you do not have proof she cheated (In which case none of her alts should be suspended.)

This diplomatic/halfway punishment is a joke. BTW this isn't an opinion on the verdict as I haven't read it. The decision is just bizarre.


Why the hell do you even put your opinion if you have not read a word of everything. It is explained why this half-assed punishment is given. Next time read before speaking.


Cause the decision is moronic. Like you, who reports people for inappropriate names when its an every day word.
xxerox
about 9 years

johnreid says

I like Zwink, I havent read the bin and I don't care.

What I don't get though is how 2 accounts are suspended and 1 isn't?

Like honestly you either have proof she cheated (In which case all alts get suspended). Or you do not have proof she cheated (In which case none of her alts should be suspended.)

This diplomatic/halfway punishment is a joke. BTW this isn't an opinion on the verdict as I haven't read it. The decision is just bizarre.


Why the hell do you even put your opinion if you have not read a word of everything. It is explained why this half-assed punishment is given. Next time read before speaking.
xxerox
about 9 years

Burial says

anyone who cares about meta abuse needs a slap

if its wrong to read someone based on other games you've played with them then remove every trophy ever achieved in the comp lobby


"I told you a meta where you can always townread me, and i would never lie to you because i am trying to cheat and win the round by cheating. If you do not see me using the meta, i am mafia. if you see me, i am town."

Words of a previous EM round winner.