i don't play classic cuz it sucks

Achieina says

@GOODGAME

Flaw 1) Only applies to setups with two mafia. Problem solved.

Flaw 2) If they're capable/want to cc, they can reach a mutual agreement and do so.

Flaw 3) Troll/Salty towns are irrelevant. Only mafias can report their partner if they were supposed to CC but didn't. Either way, if the nilla mafia decided to cc instead of the CC mafia, then there would be proof in the night meeting that they BOTH mutually agreed.

change the topic desc to be only setup with 2 mafia!

@GOODGAME

Flaw 1) Only applies to setups with two mafia. Problem solved.

Flaw 2) If they're capable/want to cc, they can reach a mutual agreement and do so.

Flaw 3) Troll/Salty towns are irrelevant. Only mafias can report their partner if they were supposed to CC but didn't. Either way, if the nilla mafia decided to cc instead of the CC mafia, then there would be proof in the night meeting that they BOTH mutually agreed.

there should also be a Decoy Mafia who is responsible for confusing town by fillering, wifoming, acting scummy on purpose, getting lynched over more important roles, etc. i volunteer as tribute.

my vote was a lie. it's a terrible idea and any who unironically voted YES should be ashamed (i'm looking at you mist)

I like the idea in terms of allowing/forcing others to get experience cc'ing, but making a role that forces a nilla cc takes away from the creation of new and innovative strategies imo

im imagining a multisetup with 0, 1 or 2 cc mafia. that'd be hilarious

itd also be limited to games like classic since if you put it in pike jan or a&v youd know which mafia is doing the ccing. theres also the chance mafia wont have to cc at all in fp or classic lol

No I hate cc'ing, dont mke me do it plix

what if the other mafia cc'd cc mafia

Let's not even begin discussing the flaw of inventing a vio for a non cc mafia role daring to cc.

Anyway here is where I tear your idea to shreds:

Flaw #1 the 'more than 2 mafia' scenario. Night 1, nilla tells hooker "I'm not the cc mafia!" and the cc nilla says "HE IS LYING HE IS THE ONE!", the hooker gets mad at both of them, they get mad back and the cc mafia then says jk i'm hooker why are you claiming hooker? then the nilla says you to the hooker and says they will report gt if the hooker doesn't cc. Checkmate, maf game rekt. In any scenario without 2 mafias, there is no on way for in-game one to tell which the other is if a nila is one of the 3+ as well as the cc nilla.

Flaw #2 makes more capable ccers or the 'lawyer ccs' strat feel obligated to not even offer themselves. Some people love ccing and will use their cc mafia role to force the other to back down even daring to reason why they are more capable of doing so.

Flaw #3 if this became enforceable (as in you can report the cc mafia for not ccing) then in situations where the mafia both agree that another mafia should cc, troll/salty towns may just report the cc mafia for not ccing and get a vio out of spite. If it is then made conditional that the mafia agreeing can bypass the cc mafia's obligation my flaw #1 becomes even more severe as it creates loopholes in the rule.

Thanks and bye.

If you sign my petition i will sign urs

even if the role were to be created, moderators would not enforce an idea that one role has some sort of obligation to utilise a strategy over a mechanically identical teammate

@mist Although that's a good alternative, I'm worried that it wouldn't be "official." Some people might just reject the idea, since the role description of a role like Enforcer/Ninja may throw them off & most are too lazy to bother reading the strategy. The moderators may also not fully accept if one mafia reports the other for "not ccing."

Also I'm not pretending like Janitorial is a good setup.

moon says

Vitacon says

If you're finding yourself running into this problem regularly I suggest moving away from setups that revolve fully around Cop CCs and instead play more advanced ones such as the ones in the competition.

jan 2.0 and many others revolve around cop ccs

Not as much as Classic Mafia and its variants.

Or like, ninja if you wanna avoid adding a night action

You could make a set up like this by just including a maf role that is effectively useless in a setup like fancypants such as enforcer.

@RachyRakiko yep

Vitacon says

If you're finding yourself running into this problem regularly I suggest moving away from setups that revolve fully around Cop CCs and instead play more advanced ones such as the ones in the competition.

jan 2.0 and many others revolve around cop ccs

it's genius.

If you're finding yourself running into this problem regularly I suggest moving away from setups that revolve fully around Cop CCs and instead play more advanced ones such as the ones in the competition.

So its just the same as nilla but just with a special name

if my partner doesn't cc, then i do it, and hopefully try and be convincing and carry my team. this usually leads me to have to cc, with maybe 10% of the time my partner ccs. they usually use my 1k games played as a basis for "you should cc because you have 1k games played" but im still really bad.