Epicmafia

Rule clarifications

over 9 years

We do have the rules page, but there are a lot of things that are not mentioned in there and are judged based on the precedents set by the previous moderators.

But the problem is that when a new moderator comes in, he or she is not aware of precedence and rules against it. This causes a lot of problem for the users.

If we can list down the cases then we can help users know the rules in a better way. They may not know all at first but if they break that rule once they will know it the second time.

If we can list that in this thread with help of the moderators, veteran users and some report links to provide support for the claims then we can have a comprehensive list that can be updated when needed.

I will start by listing the cases myself.

Encouraging Rule Breakage

Encouraging other people to suicide, spam, cheat or otherwise break a rule. ERB expires when the rule encouraged to break would have expired.

1- If someone is not able to participate in a game and has to leave then asking that person to suicide is not ERB.

Game Related Suicide

Suiciding or intentionally vegging for any game related reason.

1- Attempting to grs is also grs (when you suicide and the game still stays ranked because all votes were on you)

Insufficient Participation

Not participating sufficiently over the course of a game and/or an undefined period of time when addressed by another player or by a threat of votes. Sufficient participation does not include: Using gimmicks to speak - talking about non-game related things - Pretending to be AFK - vote flashing/using votes to communicate (excludes silencer setups and co.) Violation may also be applied if a user causes a loss due to a lack of game-related effort. This rule is only lightly moderated in red heart games.

1- Faking afk as mafia to vote after kicks or blitz is also ISP.

Outside Game Influence

Using tools or processes outside of a game in a game including, but not limited to: posting on profiles, lobbies, or the forums revealing game-related information, clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not, reporting a player in a game in progress, using third party functions or sites to make in-game decisions, bribes or threats (such as karma, kudos, and reporting), and pregame pacts.

1- If you see any person visiting another person's profile or a forum page and point that out as evidence to support your read on a person then it is ogi.

2- Posting report links and forum links or asking people to check those links to support your read is also ogi. If you are talking about strategic meta and the person believes you without you pointing him to visit a link then it is fine. (Mod please confirm)

Spamming

Repeatedly sending the same message and/or chat flooding. Includes vote spamming. In extreme cases, if someone has received ample warning, and gameplay is disrupted across several games, a violation may be given in unranked Main Lobby

1- Spamming is moderated in Grave Yard, pregame, and Post game as well. I have precedence for this. If it is not moderated anymore then a moderator should confirm. We do understand that the intensity of the spamming is on the discretion of the moderator, but whether it is applicable in pregame, grave yard and post game or not, that should be pointed out here.

Trolling

Antagonizing other players, disrupting gameplay through actions or communications, or otherwise playing to get negative reactions from other players.

1- If an oracle self orcs as strategy, to make mafia slip and give towny reactions is that still trolling or gamethrowing? It has been given a trolling violation previously, but a moderator should confirm it. In some cases it may be gamethrowing (where orcing another person gives autowin or near autowin) and is some cases it might be ok.

I request others to help me compile a list of precedence that are not available in the rules page. I could only list a few so please help me here.

I am trying to make the decision making process easy for the moderators. Keeping everything at discretion always causes controversies.

deletedover 9 years

Same ^_^

Zhuorb

over 9 years

F'ing lmao

deletedover 9 years

shut up packidy

packidy

over 9 years

make me a mod. i will rule this site with an iron fist.

packidy

over 9 years

Outside Game Influence: "Using tools or processes outside of a game in a game"

1. "I g2g just lynch me." that is against the rules because player X having to walk the dog has nothing to do with the game itself. Voting players that are afk thus OGI.

packidy

over 9 years

Insufficient Participation: "Not participating sufficiently over the course of a game and/or an undefined period of time when addressed by another player or by a threat of votes."

1. Any time you lose its because you didn't try hard enough. If you participated more you would have figured out who mafia was and would have been able to convince everyone to vote for the maf.

packidy

over 9 years

Copied Mechanics: "Using a copy/paste or ctrl + v function to copy an in-game system message or night action to attempt to prove alignment (e.g cop report or cop meeting)."

1. Copy+Paste is against the rules. Retyping is not against the rules.

Copied Mechanics cont.: "Other players in game may not request details from night meetings or graphical mode to determine alignment."

2. Don't ask cop who he checked N1. That's against the rules.

packidy

over 9 years

Harassment: "Making repeated/severe personal attacks toward or slandering another Epicmafia user when the user has shown the harasser that he is offended"

1. It is impossible to slander another player in a game. Slander is defined as " a verbal statement damaging to a person's reputation." The rule should be changed to libel, which is a written false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation. Or perhaps the rule should be broadened to 'defamation'

packidy

over 9 years

Game Throwing: "voting someone based on a grudge."
All night actions are made through votes. Voting log during night actions say "Player A votes Player B", therefore:

1. If you're maf and you vote to kill the player you hate on N1 that is grudge voting and thus Game Throwing.

2. If you're cop and you vote to check the player you hate on N1 that is grudge voting and thus Game Throwing.

3. If you're orc and you vote to orc the player you hate on N1 that is grudge voting and thus Game Throwing.

4. Shooting someone that you hate is NOT Game Throwing because if you have vote log on it says "player A chooses player B." Therefore you're not "voting someone based on a grudge." Instead you're "choosing someone base on a grudge."

The wording of the rule should be changed to "shooting a player or choosing to lynch a player, base on grudge

deletedover 9 years

Dibbun says

But the harassment rule doesn't say not to pick fights. There are fights practically every ranked game. It says repeated/severe personal attacks. A generic insult (to go suck a ****) and claiming your alt is in someone's game is indeed picking a fight (or rather responding to one that was already provoked by the other party) but is not a personal attack, nor is it particularly repeated or severe.

I'm pretty sure most if not all mods are careful about moderating harassment different in-game and outside of a game.

deletedover 9 years

Dibbun says

helsinki says

pranay, i'm gonna be doing a deep dive on the rules page in an effort to clear up misconceptions within the next few days, bear with me

harassment needs to be clarified imo

harassment/hc is the first item on my list

VictoriaEldor

over 9 years

The trick is to find out what the definition of harassment is. Which is essentially going around and picking fights. With one person in particular.

Dibbun

over 9 years

mist says

Dibbun says

helsinki says

pranay, i'm gonna be doing a deep dive on the rules page in an effort to clear up misconceptions within the next few days, bear with me

harassment needs to be clarified imo

You're right that it could use some clarification, but here's a tip: don't go around picking fights and you will probably not get a harassment violation.

But the harassment rule doesn't say not to pick fights. There are fights practically every ranked game. It says repeated/severe personal attacks. A generic insult (to go suck a ****) and claiming your alt is in someone's game is indeed picking a fight (or rather responding to one that was already provoked by the other party) but is not a personal attack, nor is it particularly repeated or severe.

deletedover 9 years

jorgeben10 says

I never see something so dumb like this: "Encouraging Rule Breakage"
Dude, no one is /autistic or something like that. No one is pointing a gun on the head of the person who break a rule.
Weirdo.

Congratulations

deletedover 9 years

nice tip dude lol

deletedover 9 years

Dibbun says

helsinki says

pranay, i'm gonna be doing a deep dive on the rules page in an effort to clear up misconceptions within the next few days, bear with me

harassment needs to be clarified imo

You're right that it could use some clarification, but here's a tip: don't go around picking fights and you will probably not get a harassment violation.

jorgeben10

over 9 years

I never see something so dumb like this: "Encouraging Rule Breakage"
Dude, no one is /autistic or something like that. No one is pointing a gun on the head of the person who break a rule.
Weirdo.

deletedover 9 years

Dibbun says

Skillz says

Dibbun says

helsinki says

pranay, i'm gonna be doing a deep dive on the rules page in an effort to clear up misconceptions within the next few days, bear with me

harassment needs to be clarified imo

"Don't be Dibbun"

reported for harassment enjoy your ban

Don't do this to me pls D:

deletedover 9 years

OldPro says

That game losing pass play at the 1 yard line in the superbowl? not gamethrowing

it was.

mandevian

over 9 years

Just clarify the points I mentioned in op

Dibbun

over 9 years

Skillz says

Dibbun says

helsinki says

pranay, i'm gonna be doing a deep dive on the rules page in an effort to clear up misconceptions within the next few days, bear with me

harassment needs to be clarified imo

"Don't be Dibbun"

reported for harassment enjoy your ban

OldPro

over 9 years

If you suck, you suck. Sucks to suck but it's not punishable.

Things like blind hammering and hip-firing... that's just not caring if you win.

deletedover 9 years

UniversalStudios says

ScubaSteve says

So if a new player who doesn't understand mechanics of a setup he's never played 3 times over the course of 6 months, you'd lobby ban him?

Being new is an acceptable reason to cause enough loses? I wasn't aware that despite this game not having a skill cap, there were people below the non-existing skill cap ruining games.

There's no situation you can list where everyone at the table is playing to win and someone deserves a gamethrowing violation. Stop being an apologist.

https://epicmafia.com/report/138453

OldPro

over 9 years

UniversalStudios says

"or not playing to win" doesn't supersede "shows intent to lose" which is why the rule needs to be reclarified for how it should be enforced in this meta.

There are a lot of instance where the mods are free to say "bad play" when someone throws a game due to negligence simply because neither "intent to lose" or "not playing to win" are present.

Negligence is ISP. You can show intent to win while making horrible mistakes.

That game losing pass play at the 1 yard line in the superbowl? not gamethrowing

deletedover 9 years

no point arguing about gamethrowing when most players can't scum hunt and are bad at the game, they're literally gt'ing just by their action of joining games