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FANCY PANTS MINUS GUNSMITH

bieberh0le69
over 9 years

Fancy Pants would be so much better without Gunsmith. In my experience, Gunsmith is absurdly town-sided. I've created this thread to discuss this issue, consider alternatives to the Gunsmith, and hear the opinions of others.

I genuinely cannot remember the last time I saw Mafia win a game of Fancy Pants when Gunsmith was in the game. While I realize my own experience is a small sample size, it just always seems completely hopeless for the Mafia. If Mafia gets gunned N1, the game is evenly matched, but if town gets gunned N1 it's auto win every time.

Thoughts?

ViktorEldor
over 9 years
I'm not actually sure whether Gunsmith is the Mafia sided one in the entire Multi. It's the only one wherein the Mafia may benefit from the PR's existence.
fozy
over 9 years
Just make your own setup. Take out a blue and put in a miller.
ViktorEldor
over 9 years

Hibiki says

only a 75% chance eh pal


It sounds great but it's nowhere near 1 (absolute).

Because of this it'd affect the chance of Town / Mafia wins among the entire multi. The answer to what that is would require someone to calculate every single possibility on all of the variations from the first night.

I just did 1 Of like... I don't know, over 10 Different N1 possibilities? That one was just the best one you could get.
Hibiki
over 9 years
only a 75% chance eh pal
Jaleb
over 9 years

Devante says


Jaleb says

Remove bomb while you're at it.


he's actually right about the gunsmith. you on the other hand, you're just wrong.

the gs is why fp sucks somewhat and why guns and hooker sucks


bomb just makes a similar situation for town. They get an extra kill if he gets hit (which gets maf everytime) and doesn't make as much sense as in other setups.
deletedover 9 years
You make a good point
ViktorEldor
over 9 years
The absolute best case scenario for the Gunsmith only occurs in 1% of games that have a Gunsmith, which also means that it only happens in 0.25% of all Fancy Pants games.

http://pastebin.com/kGeCWbma

It's also only a 75% Chance of town win, opposed to automatic win.

If I wasn't lazy I'd calculate the odds of Town / Mafia in total and come up with a nice %.

But I'm lazy.
Mike
over 9 years
No because that type of gun either kills or confirms which means it can be hipfired
deletedover 9 years
what if you forget about removing the gs and you add a setup with 1 extra blue, remove the non cop pr & a nilla then have a fabricator / that role that can gun town but only allows them to shoot town and if they shoot mafia the shot doesn't work.
bieberh0le69
over 9 years
What would be another PR that could replace GS? Preferably a role that is advantageous for mafia to kill, so that there's 50/50 on whether maf should kill PR
Mike
over 9 years

Devante says

someone should just mimic fp, the first setup & the name then just remove the gs setup from it, host it continuously in the main lobby and most likely no one would notice the change.


The illuminati tried that with "Fancy Points 2", it didn't get much traction.
deletedover 9 years
someone should just mimic fp, the first setup & the name then just remove the gs setup from it, host it continuously in the main lobby and most likely no one would notice the change.
Mike
over 9 years
We should just make the gs setup it's own setup and force the mods to blacklist it, who's with me?
deletedover 9 years

Patrick says

so classic mafia with an orc and a bomb


nah fp without the gs
Mike
over 9 years

Devante says

paging zovea


Man I say this a least once a week, I don't get why people take so long to get where I am when it took me years to get here.
deletedover 9 years
so classic mafia with an orc and a bomb
deletedover 9 years

Jaleb says

Remove bomb while you're at it.


he's actually right about the gunsmith. you on the other hand, you're just wrong.

the gs is why fp sucks somewhat and why guns and hooker sucks
Jaleb
over 9 years
Remove bomb while you're at it.
deletedover 9 years
paging zovea