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over 9 years

So me and my boy Kchen have been having this argument and im curious to see what the rest of EM thinks

In this scenario, Cop is alive, and 1 miller has been killed at night, and one nilla/miller has been lynched flipping as mafia.

between the other 3 blues is godfather (5 way)

Would it not be optimal play to lynch the unknown miller/nilla if the cop has 3 innos on remaining players?

over 9 years
New strategy: never lynch in guilties d2. GF is the only person you'll truly know to be mafia.
over 9 years
Lynch outside the guilty since u know 100% there is mafia in the other three

and the guilty will be either confirmed or clear if the game goes on
over 9 years
it's definitively sub-optimal to lynch the guilty in this scenario. Playing to not lose is the surest way to lose.
over 9 years
Yeh the 3 way is going to happen regardless. It's better to have a clear to lynch it + if you get gf and the game isn't over it's autowin/ if you don't it's likely the blues would've lost in 3 way anyway
deletedover 9 years
lynch in blues the miller / nilla will either be clear the next day or confirmed.
over 9 years
Optimal play is aiming for GF even if the nilla is mafia though.

Because the 3 way lynch is inevitable, there is no loss in doing it sooner, but there is the potential gain if a ML/confirmed scum. If lynching nilla could help, then it would be fine. But all it does is lead to the same 3 way
over 9 years
Yeah lynching nilla/miller doesnt make sense because nilla/miller could be miller which is a town role, and gj buddy you just potentially lynched town.

I agree with previous posters who said optimal strat is to lynch mafia, preferably GF but whoever is mafia is fine.
over 9 years
Ifa player isn't good enough to get out of being ml'd as guilty then they're a good lynch. It's also beyond me why you're arguing over a hypothetical that has almost nothing to do with lynching scum.
over 9 years
you can make every argument under the sun about why lynching for GFs is the good play but half of the people lynching the guilty aren't going to listen unless you specifically point out why it's the bad thing to do, as opposed to just a different option
over 9 years

LeeSin says


Hibiki says

the objective of the game isn't to make a lynch without losing. the objective is to lynch mafia


Sorry, I wish I could be as helpful as this


the theory behind lynching the unknown guilty report is that it guarantees a day 3, aka it's "safe" - which is what a lynch without losing is. it's also guaranteed to not be a game-winning lynch for town, which is actually what town want
over 9 years

Hibiki says

the objective of the game isn't to make a lynch without losing. the objective is to lynch mafia


Sorry, I wish I could be as helpful as this
over 9 years

pranay7744 says

It's simple. You lynch whoever is mafia. Not who is inno or guilty.if I'm not sure whether the guilty is maf. I'll aim for gf anyways. Always the best move.



LeeSin says

Yes it is simple, lynch the mafia. If you don't you will lose, so no reason not to really :P


none of these posts are helping because they don't answer the OP's query
over 9 years
the objective of the game isn't to make a lynch without losing. the objective is to lynch mafia
over 9 years
Yes it is simple, lynch the mafia. If you don't you will lose, so no reason not to really :P
over 9 years

Logik says

Kchen implies not lynching the guilty is the most optimal play, but keep in mind town doenst know if real nilla or miller has died previously


that's because it is
over 9 years
It's simple. You lynch whoever is mafia. Not who is inno or guilty.if I'm not sure whether the guilty is maf. I'll aim for gf anyways. Always the best move.
over 9 years
This is actually really simple.

By ignoring cop and miller/nilla, you have what is effectively a 3 way LYLO /but/ with the added possibility of a ML. 50% chance

If you lynch miller nilla, then you will have 3 way LYLO, no other option.

Lynching for GF is optimal as long as you're not scared of the other millernilla blitzing or something. Basically, lynching GF will lead to a 50/50 between either the equivalent of lynching millernilla (therefore no difference) if nilla, OR a ML if miller (therefore better). This is because regardless of what you do, you will always have to lynch between the three innos eventually, with no benefit to doing it last except prolonging the game
deletedover 9 years
lynching miller will lead to cop death and 3 way lylo between blues. and if you had an ml, you wasted it

lynching in blues will allow you to lynch with a clear and you might have an ml.

I dont really see the argument
over 9 years
Lynching for the godfather is a better choice.
over 9 years
Kchen implies not lynching the guilty is the most optimal play, but keep in mind town doenst know if real nilla or miller has died previously