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Do you self shrink as shrink or is that not the right way to play as shrink in DLYG???

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Steven says

But then again, if it were me I'd just self shrink, cuz there's nothing worse than shrinking your would be partner


This, why shrink someone that could end up being your partner and put you in potential autoloss.
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But then again, if it were me I'd just self shrink, cuz there's nothing worse than shrinking your would be partner
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Well you tally up your predictions for everyone and shrink the one with the most
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that'd be easier if you knew who the yaks were
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How about

You just shrink who you think will be yakked, whether or not it's you
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expected payoffs
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hey, i only mentioned it cuz you asked. i don't brag about it, but if you notice it i won't stop you
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I'm tired.
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Connor is advising a suboptimal strategy that becomes optimal when people know you do it every game.

Let that sink in.
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/META/ is unavoidable and is integral to the game. Meta /ABUSE/ is incredibly avoidable. Jesus christ learn to read.
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You seriously aren't going to sit there and tell me you're not going to yak someone who you think is better at the game,will likely carry the scum team to victory and won't be ML'd on rather than someone who would.

Because you are and when you do that you're exploiting the meta of knowing some high profile player won't be ML'd on to your advantage.
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TweIve says


Faker says

It's inevitable to some extent


No, no it's not. The reason my cc gets autolynched when they're ccing me as pr in vdli is because its freaking stupid to cc pr in that setup, and no other reason. Meta abuse in of itself is incredibly avoidable, and intentionally using it is a crutch.


learning how people play and using that to your advantage is like half of the game
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Faker says

It's inevitable to some extent


No, no it's not. The reason my cc gets autolynched when they're ccing me as pr in vdli is because its freaking stupid to cc pr in that setup, and no other reason. Meta abuse in of itself is incredibly avoidable, and intentionally using it is a crutch.
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Selfshrinking ups your personal win chance but lowers the overall win chance of town. Shrinking someone else ups towns win chance but lowers the overall win chance you have.

There's plenty of people that just autolynch people that self shrink though so be advised, it doesn't turn out that well some times. I personally shrink other people because it gives my town game an edge. (Although, the option to unequivocally force myself into town is very appealing.)

When DLYG was popularised in training ~3 years ago it was considered "the correct play" to shrink someone else.
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It's inevitable to some extent
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ITT Hibiki advises the use of meta abuse.
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1. if you always self-shrink, everyone knows you aren't lying
2. if you are a high-profile player, self-shrinking is likely to lead to auto-win
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Lashka says


Faker says

uhh riot is this setup comp viable?


Well Laexio banned it, Sacha and I left it banned, Arcbell also did. Bronto then rejected it when asked to unban it, but Vancy allowed it apparently. So I guess it's Jasper's call.


vancy rebanned it iirc but it seems everyone else would have to have forgotten if i am correct
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always self shrink
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just stop playing dlyg
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If we wanted self shrinks we'd change the role to samurai
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But yes the conversion mechs make the setup bad in every case.
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DLYG sucks hard