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Message to EM Community

over 10 years

This was originally just a message to the mod Police, but I figure I might as well share it with you guys. I'm not gonna come back to this site again, so I won't be able to check the witty insults that will be levered against me (i.e., I'm not trying to be some martyr that gets loved by the community after crying to them). Just some food for thought.

"Hey Police, I just want you to know that I won't play comp ever again, and I won't continue this round, and I probably won't play on this account again. No, this is not a sob story or appeal of pity. No, I'm not going to change my mind. Obviously, I have no ill feelings towards you. I'm just letting you know I won't be playing so that you don't even have to worry about me, but by all means, continue whatever investigations you guys may have going on.

I haven't been on this site long, so I don't know the quality of the jobs you and the mods are doing. I'll just assume you all genuinely care about the site, and I just want to ask that you guys make efforts to have the community be less toxic overall. I'm sure people like me are rare: people who are quite new and quickly rise to top win percentages in ranked and comp. But I don't think the toxicity affects only me; I've seen plenty of veteran players verbally abuse noavis and just overall make the game really unpleasant for them. Trust me, I'm no angel either; I've had my streaks of rage as well.

But especially when I started playing comp about a week ago, it's been really bad. There's a gigantic circle jerk of experienced players who know each other well and know each other's alts and whatnot, and then a very vocal minority of them will harass people like me in pregame or during the game, saying I'm not even allowed to talk (even as the uncc'd PR, for instance) because my opinion doesn't matter because I'm newer than them and they're so godly and they'll beat me in a 1 on 1 no contest, etc. These players act like there's a good way to play and a bad way to play (which, sure, makes sense generically) and that whatever strategy or kinds of arguments I use must be automatically bad because I'm just new and bad. These players go out of there way to harass me and tell me how bad I am all the time.

Today was the worst. Random people who I've never played with are calling me cheaters, and people like Bogut say things like I'm too bad to possibly legitimately be at the top of the ladder, and that therefore I must be cheating. Every time I mishammer or make a bad read (which is, objectively speaking, quite rare), they will spam me in the next pregame about how bad I am. Every time I make a right read or hammer, it's always pure luck and I just got carried. Every game's community has toxic inhabitants, but this one is particularly bad. The fundamental problem is that people who've played a long time think they're automatically smarter and better than others every single time they play, and think they have some license to harass the out of new players who are playing at their level.

After the kind of insults and harassment I had to deal with today, I lost all desire to play and it won't come back because I know the same thing will happen again. I can't play on this account again because people will randomly hate me, and if I make a new one and then do well in my first comp round, the exact same scenario will unfold as what I'm going through right now. It's a perfect trap, and there's no way out for me to have a pleasant experience at EM unless I intentionally lose a ton of ranked games and play badly on purpose for my first several rounds of comp. Otherwise, I'll automatically be labeled a cheating noavi noob.

I joined EM because I loved playing it in Starcraft 2: the elements of psychology, logic, critical thinking, and persuasion combined were so fascinating to me, and I was hooked on EM as soon as I began to play at the start of my winter break. My semester starts again soon anyways, so I won't have the time, but now I just feel extremely jaded and annoyed at how the community has treated me. I see no way for things to get better now or in the future. To you, and all the other players out there, I really hope the community becomes a more positive and welcoming place for what I think is a great game. And to the apparently many people who hate me, most of which I've never reciprocated the same hatred or even played with for more than a couple games, I hope you guys can look past your hatred of me and consider treating other newbs like me more kindly.

Best, spicywaffle"

over 10 years

AregVrt says

This is mafia not club penguin.


Remember Club Penguin :^)
over 10 years

Rutab says


2 - Noavi is not in any way a derogatory term



You don't know the suffering my people have been through...
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Yea skillz ppl need to grow some thick skin. This is mafia not club penguin.
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xxerox says

Everone suks.

LUCID, LISTEN TO ME. HE IS RIGH. ONLY REASON WE LOSE NEW PLAYERS IS NOT BECAUSE OF MODERATORS , OR LESS GAMES PLAYED, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACT BAD TOWARD THEM.

Only way i see is this :
Noavi to be banned word, and everyone that uses it to recieve warnings;

Anon setups to be mandatory so no one know who is who.

in Town Of Salem, you start by chosing a random name, and no one knows who you are.


I think its best if we add it here. Players wont know each other when the game starts, Thus no one will specifically target new players. Thus we will know who is cheating with who!


Your logic is false, we don't need sensitive players in EpicMafia, you know how many users are still playing? lots, so basically the people who are leaving are sensitive, we all have been gone through **** y'know? I think we don't need those really sensitive players who cry everytime someone insults him.
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over 10 years
this community's fault is having a PhD in jumping to conclusions

11:11 make a wish everyone
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caroline says

its ironic that you quit when the mods investigate you for cheating


less ironic and more convenient
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xxerox says

Everone suks.

LUCID, LISTEN TO ME. HE IS RIGH. ONLY REASON WE LOSE NEW PLAYERS IS NOT BECAUSE OF MODERATORS , OR LESS GAMES PLAYED, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACT BAD TOWARD THEM.

Only way i see is this :
Noavi to be banned word, and everyone that uses it to recieve warnings;

Anon setups to be mandatory so no one know who is who.

in Town Of Salem, you start by chosing a random name, and no one knows who you are.


I think its best if we add it here. Players wont know each other when the game starts, Thus no one will specifically target new players. Thus we will know who is cheating with who!


1 - Town of Salem sucks ***

2 - Noavi is not in any way a derogatory term

3 - Everyone being anonymous would take away the fun of playing with friends

4 - Cheating would be so much harder to find if games were anonymous
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its ironic that you quit when the mods investigate you for cheating
deletedover 10 years
That was a joke by Hymr because he calls me banned user Rutab every time I join his game.

It doesn't matter what game it's on, every player with more experience will automatically assume they're better than the rest of the users; it has been the same way for a long time and isn't anything new. I am on my phone so I can't check, but wasn't the account spicywaffle even in the SAC? She could have mentioned that to anyone who doubted her whether it would have helped or not.

Basically, there isn't anything special about what she had to say.
over 10 years
Everone suks.

LUCID, LISTEN TO ME. HE IS RIGH. ONLY REASON WE LOSE NEW PLAYERS IS NOT BECAUSE OF MODERATORS , OR LESS GAMES PLAYED, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACT BAD TOWARD THEM.

Only way i see is this :
Noavi to be banned word, and everyone that uses it to recieve warnings;

Anon setups to be mandatory so no one know who is who.

in Town Of Salem, you start by chosing a random name, and no one knows who you are.


I think its best if we add it here. Players wont know each other when the game starts, Thus no one will specifically target new players. Thus we will know who is cheating with who!
over 10 years
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If you can't handle the heat ; stay out of the kitchen, you didn't need to make a whole thread for this ya know? not trying to be rude but seriously mate I've gone through all this since I was here Day One, unranked games/ranked games/competitive games even in SITD, I've gone through lots of hate and I didn't go out crying like a baby in the Forums.]

-Just saying (Skillz 2015.)
over 10 years
this It really is a shame how toxic comp play at pretty much any level, i often find my self wanting to quit EM every time i try to play comp round.
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Who is Bogut and why have I never heard of this notorious circlejerker?
over 10 years
Still making the pastebin tbh, but I don't see much cheating going on, people are just butthurt that new people also know how to play mafia
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Haha nice macro retaliatory retort dude
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message to em community
over 10 years
Oh, that was fast. God bless, now we can resume being besties; Saturday anime night is coming up~!
over 10 years
k i'm back
over 10 years

Sims says

i'm leaving. publicly.


Wow, you have the whole no avatar thing going too. You're serious!
over 10 years
i'm leaving. publicly.
over 10 years
I wonder who will be the next person to publicly announce their departure on the forums.
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Smorlicious says

Maybe if you can't take the heat, you should leave.


man haha you're so smart
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So lemme get this straight: you're quitting EM because some tryhards said mean things to you?

Look, it's undeniable that part of the community is volatile, and is especially unwelcoming and harsh towards noobs. But this isn't public highschool, it's a gaming java website. Why should you care what a bunch of anonymous lonely tryhards who have nothing better to do with their lives think of you?

You can either rise above the haters and ignore their dumb prejudice like the rest of us, or you give in and quit altogether because "they say mean things." Maybe if you can't take the heat, you should leave.