Nvm, I'm an idiot. Just realised that this doesn't work with docsaves.

Still, it'd be an interesting game mode for games without protective roles.

Peta says

TweIve says

No setup is so balanced that it doesn't need a remake. Almost all setups on-site have issues with them, one way or the other.

Paranoid Pandemonium. Idiot.

you could probably do some interesting things with the basic framework of PP, tbh

i kill the cop

animegayboy69 says

TweIve says

No setup is so balanced that it doesn't need a remake.

ahem https://epicmafia.com/setup/36166

Hold that it still has flaws. (Albeit, less than most other setups)

Side note, there should be a mode where the night kill kills a role rather than a player. If the player dying n1 affects the reads in the game then there's either some really shifty meta afoot or someone's being an .

Empire says

remove all elements of randomness from EM setups please

for n1 setups, mafia should choose a role to kill instead of a player. same with all role actions

TweIve says

No setup is so balanced that it doesn't need a remake. Almost all setups on-site have issues with them, one way or the other.

Paranoid Pandemonium. Idiot.

TweIve says

No setup is so balanced that it doesn't need a remake.

ahem https://epicmafia.com/setup/36166

remove all elements of randomness from EM setups please

Yes it sucks

Everybody Doesn't Like It

how can this be more townsided than original VDLI?

alise says

Alise Doesn't Like It

Ayyyy we've got a new name.

Alise Doesn't Like It

Looks nice, plussed

Why have stalker? Why make it town sided with a clear on d3? I don't get the point to this setup other than the fact you don't like pr dying n1.

No they don't it's dawn start idiot.

If scum ccs orc they risk autolose

No setup is so balanced that it doesn't need a remake. Almost all setups on-site have issues with them, one way or the other.

The first 8 games of VDLI I played this round only contained 3 games where I actually got to play, the other games I was either n1ed or I got orc-revealed as mafia day 1. This isn't going to come up all that often, but it proves that the setup is flawed in the aspect that it doesn't have a protective role. I really like the concept of this new version since there's no way either of the afore mentioned events could take place.

The original vdli is balanced, it doesn't need better versions.

Also, lack of knowledge of whether the guy you lynched is mafia or miller will really screw with reads.

i guess

If scum CCs orc and wins the battle then it leads to 4 way.

it'll wind up being more townsided without the chance of hitting a pr n1. the thing that keeps vdli balanced is the chance of a 4 way mylo