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Round 257 Discussion

almost 11 years

Congratulations to the winners of Round 253!


Faithless

Setups

Overturn 2 Eloquence

FRICK JILL 2.0


Shivv

Setups

Trinity

To be or not to be (guarded)?


Rondar

Setups

Voltron Doesn't Like It

Search & Destroy II


Good luck to the participants of Round 257!

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almost 11 years
yes they are.

If town wins 90% of the games in a two-sided setup, town will not get 70 points for a win. THat is a fact.
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HIGH POINT PAYOUT MEANS LOW WIN RATE!!!! IT BALANCES OUT!!!! THE FORMULA IS PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!
almost 11 years
idk why bronto did that but he's gone now so no point arguing it

we'll see what transpires
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NO THEY AREN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nonon says


Giga13 says

Connor: "It's ok to blacklist A&D because of the statistics, but it's not ok to blacklist Trinity for the same reason"


no. you can argue that trinity is too scumsided. i never said that was an issue. i never said trinity is a legit/balanced/OK setup. i'm pointing out that point payouts are irrelevant. read words


but they are when they get nasty like above 70

if the mods wanna give it more plays fine, i guess but once it hits 200 then you really have no excuse to keep it unblacklisted if its still above 57/42 mafia

point payouts are determined by town wins and scum wins in the setup. if town gets 70+ points for a win, then scum is obviously winning more in the setup, therefore one can argue that the setup is scumsided
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It wasn't a rule. It was a single, exceptional case that Bronto made to try to cure Competitions of the 'Gun Culture'. It got a lot of criticism at the time, then people realised they could get around with A&R and A&V and thus nobody cares.

There is no rule anywhere about points payouts. There are rules about extreme scumsidedness, of which Trinity at 58% is right on the cusp of, and also extreme townsidedness (which is essentially anything at 54%+ because probability states that you will role town more often in all setups this is applicable too).

Payouts are irrelevant to both, hence why SK vs Mafia and Manhunt were both permitted to be comped much, much more recently than A&D's blacklisting.
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No I didn't

I am telling you bronto specifically told me he blacklisted it because he didnt like its payouts. You're wrong and right. I am right and wrong. He literally told me that's why its blacklisted. Did I say it was right? No. Stop being a douche
almost 11 years
hes right, you could have just posted the stats
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Rutab says

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I am saying your a **** and you could have just told me without being annoying


i told u u were wrong and u cried "but bronto said so!!!!!" so i sat u down
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>Admin makes a rule
>People accept it at the time
>Now nobody cares

Whatever sue me for trying to follow a rule that's after your time as admin
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Giga13 says

Connor: "It's ok to blacklist A&D because of the statistics, but it's not ok to blacklist Trinity for the same reason"


no. you can argue that trinity is too scumsided. i never said that was an issue. i never said trinity is a legit/balanced/OK setup. i'm pointing out that point payouts are irrelevant. read words
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I'm not even saying you're wrong, I am saying your a **** and you could have just told me without being annoying
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A&D was blacklisted because the admin didn't like it, and made up a reason to get rid of it. This failed, as people just play A&R or A&V instead. As both of these have lesser stats but get played just as much, nobody really cares about the bs reasoning used to blacklist A&D anymore.
almost 11 years
that was unnecessary ye
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Miki says

he's not trying to be a douchebag towards you, he's just pointing out cold hard facts @_@


Yeah he is
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are you trying to fight math, rutab
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Nonon says


Rutab says

Payouts are only the way they are because its townsided or scumsided


you are stupid

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he's not trying to be a douchebag towards you, he's just pointing out cold hard facts @_@
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And whether your rude *** likes it or not, bronto blacklisted A&D due to its payouts
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Lashka says

I never blacklisted a single setup due to points payouts, so your 'couple years' is an utterly incorrect statement.


OK I was wrong about time

I'm still right about everything else
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do you think i'm telling you you're wrong when you're not??? you really think that is something i would do???
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Connor: "It's ok to blacklist A&D because of the statistics, but it's not ok to blacklist Trinity for the same reason"
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Stop being a huge douchebag what the hell
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there's no rules that exist pointing to point payouts. shut up
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I never blacklisted a single setup due to points payouts, so your 'couple years' is an utterly incorrect statement.