I was thinking about how irritating it is to have to farm classic/fancy pants/cocos to get the 1500 points to join the competition. Then I realized that anyone who manages to get 1500 points ONLY playing these setups aren't ready for the competition anyway, so why have it? Instead (assuming this is possible to code) only allow participation in a gold heart game IF the account has played the setup of the gold heart game they are trying to join 5 times or more. Yes, I realize it might be slightly tedious to play each setup you want to play competitive 5 times on red hearts, but if you think about it, it's WAYYYYYY easier than playing 40 games of fancy pants. 5 times is usually enough to grasp the basic concepts of the setups, and experienced and newer players will both have to play red heart versions of the setup anyway, so the older can teach the newer (plus with setup guides and what not). Thoughts?
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@loreli-- they dont treat you like they treat other pros, because you play like a noob. so they think you are one of the noobs.
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only i am right, anthony is not. no need to stand on ceremony here
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Keep in mind you're still technically playing in "Training Lobby" not Comp lobby. Competitions were enabled in training lobby as a last feat to preserve whatever is left of the comp community, not transform Training Lobby into a new Comp lobby.
These players don't care about compeitions.
And the sooner new players are exposed to the competitive environment the faster they'll learn, or learn to stay out.
Being able to farm 1500 points with Fancy Pants and Guns & Hookers is a good thing, not a bad thing. (except when it comes to cheaters/game throwers).
Bottom line: You can't force players to play setups they don't want to play.
Just leave it alone and evaluate the quality of the overall Competition in about a month or two.
The idea is okay in retrospect, but your goals for Main Lobby simply aren't realistic to be honest.
I don't like this because they have to play 5 games of any of the 6 setups in red heart before gold heart for every new round, same goes for everyone when a new setup is comped, I'd rather just get my 1500 out of the way through farming and never have to worry about that again rather than play 5 red hearts of any new setup that gets comped if I wanna play it gold (that setup also probably won't get as many plays as a result)
I've actually been a very nice guy and taught tons of people today, since now they just wont call me a noob/troll and dismiss/insta lynch me due to my pie lackings wins.
You have to remember that culture change takes a long time, I think Pranay and Anthony are both right though.
Fancy Pants / Classic are great for learning basics of the game and learning how to navigate the site's interface while in game. Fancy Pants, although townsided, does teach how to WIFOM PR. Although I agree wholeheartedly that the "training lobby" setups don't teach people how to play as mafia, because the setups are so mechanically townsided that there is very little wiggle room for mafia to have any creativity, thus when they play "competitive lobby" setups, they don't know what to do because they're so conditioned to losing as mafia (at least this is my take on it). People tend to GRS more as mafia than as town for this reason.
I think the 1500 point requirement to enter competition is fine. The main reason it's there is to prevent absolute noobs and GT alts from entering. It's really the same thing as Comp Lobby, only now in one lobby (so newer people would actually attempt competition)
Over time, familiarity with different setups will come. I've noticed already that people are playing Alcoways, O2R, VDLI and BV quite a bit more regularly now, and once Featured Setup gets implemented I think that these sorts of setups will start getting more popular with the promise of double points.
It may be a bit of a rocky transition, but I think if the older players are kind to the new players, try to be instructive in-games and host more complex setups, that tastes will change and people will start to improve.
Btw Anthony, I got one of my alts to 1500 mostly on DLYV. There are other setups that will fill if you make them at the right times of day.
I haven't followed a single new player? (I've farmed roughly 4k points total over my accouns in training since main was introduced.) I can remember a single game where I was scumread for 'leading', and since I was mafia that game I can't really complain.
And if the vet isn't a petulant *** (see edark) then the new player will learn more from playing with him then they will from playing with any new player.
You just undid yours. Fancy pants is a niche. It's one setup. It won't be allowed to be competitive. The problem is players don't "do their homework" they wing it since they've mastered fancy pants.
1. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't teach everything, especially key components to the game.
2. I said 5 games, not 1500 points. The 1500 points rule wouldn't be implemented.
3. Agree, which is why people need to be exposed to a setup before hand instead of for the first time competitively.
4. Read number 2.
5. Why is this relevant?
6. No.
@loreli, All of this is irrelevant. Players who constantly play the same setup don't know anything about the depths of mafia. All i played was classic mafia in 2011. I joined one comp game and didn't know anything. Why? I wasn't familiar with the setup.
you have no idea about setups though. stop blaming setups. the training players have developed the concept of multi setups and now they know how to wifom as a particular pr.
this 1500 point thing has an upside that we wont have alts with 0 points that come to throw the game.
there should be a better logic behind this so that we can avoid the gters and the vets do not have to farm points
You undid your argument. Training lobby teaches players the game of mafia in general, not one niche setup that may or may not be in the competitive scene. If people are going to want to play effectively on quirky setups, they'll do their homework before joining the games. Otherwise they're joining to play mafia, which more people should do.
Training players took a fairly balanced setup (Andrea) and took it ridiculously townsided. Why? Because there is no time in fancy pants, classic mafia, or coco's lament in which you need to fish for a pr. The popular setups in main lobby don't help with learning basic mafia play.
