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Fool + Mafia : Joint win, cheat ?

Dyoxyne
almost 10 years

Here is an example : https://epicmafia.com/game/3307128/review

I am not experienced so I would like to know other people point of view about that !

Thank you :)

The situation is : - 2 towns - 2 mafias - 1 fool Is it cheating to explicitly tell the maf as a fool : "Vote for me, we will both win (joint win) ?"
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No
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Yes
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mandevian says

also you have no idea how good my skills are. i can convince you to joint with me and ditch your friend in a game. its like you have never read any game i posted where i demonstrated these skills


"Epicmafia is the one love in my life. There will be many girls, but there is only one EpicMafia"

rip dez.
Duppi
almost 10 years
Why havent lucid removed the pity points yet
Dyoxyne
almost 10 years
Thanks everyone for the answers :)
CharlesMark
almost 10 years
he has to be an android with infallible opinions
CharlesMark
almost 10 years
steven why do we seem to agree on everything
Steven
almost 10 years
Fool TOWNSIDING is the low move, not mafiasiding.

Fool's win condition is to /get lynched/. The town "pity points" shouldn't have been added in the first place for fool and lyncher.

If a third party can joint with town or mafia to accomplish its intended win condition (like warlock for example) then perfect for them, they can feel free to choose.

But I still fail to see why fool was given the town pity points
deletedalmost 10 years
stop imposing your wrong opinions onto everybody else
CharlesMark
almost 10 years
lets be real. if you DO care about overall points (which i cant understand) you will be better off in the long run just jointing with whoever your friend is
CharlesMark
almost 10 years
you cant get an achievement from jointing with mafia. also hardly anyone actually cares about points when it comes to deciding if you are going to stab your meta-buddies in the back or not
TweIve
almost 10 years

CharlesMark says


TweIve says

Hate to say this but pranay is right; fool has a 110 point motive for mafsiding.


the only possible benefits of points are in a competition and when you are farming points to get to a competition. since you can't use thirds in comp anymore, the actual time someone will be motivated by points instead of by who their friends are is negligible


People like points, hadn't you noticed? Also, the achievement is far from negligible.
CharlesMark
almost 10 years
in a competition...

it was my opinion that fool jointing with town (not mafia, as OP has asked) should be considered cheating, as it was almost always because they were playing for the condition of their friends trophy.
CharlesMark
almost 10 years

TweIve says

Hate to say this but pranay is right; fool has a 110 point motive for mafsiding.


the only possible benefits of points are in a competition and when you are farming points to get to a competition. since you can't use thirds in comp anymore, the actual time someone will be motivated by points instead of by who their friends are is negligible
juneau
almost 10 years


you have no idea what others like. you think others like eevrything that you like


no pranay that would be you
mandevian
almost 10 years
also you have no idea how good my skills are. i can convince you to joint with me and ditch your friend in a game. its like you have never read any game i posted where i demonstrated these skills
mandevian
almost 10 years
dezerie that is just your opinion and it is a very bad one. you have no idea what others like. you think others like eevrything that you like
TweIve
almost 10 years
Hate to say this but pranay is right; fool has a 110 point motive for mafsiding.
dezeriae
almost 10 years
No, I don't see myself contradicting myself. Point don't interfere with win condition, so my statement is correct. Fool can win with either alignment, nobody cares the slightest how many points that fool will recieve (maybe the fool, respectively.)

You can't convince a fool to win with you if that fool decided he wants to win with his friends as town, not with you as mafia.
mandevian
almost 10 years
>in the slightest

>only points


do you see yourself contradict yourself??????


also it is an aspect of the game--- you need to know the trick to get the fool on yourside.. it is a challenge, not a downside---

if this is a downside then mafia having the power to kill at night is also a downside

stop imposing your wrong opinions onto everybody else.

this guy just asked if it was allowed, and you were supposed to tell him yes it is.


try and think beyond what you can see
dezeriae
almost 10 years
It is a downside to give one player the right to decide which party wins, when it doesn't affect his win condition in the slightest (only points).
mandevian
almost 10 years
its no downside, its an aspect
dezeriae
almost 10 years
No, this is the downside of third party roles, the fool can decide who he wants to win with and use this to decide the outcome of the game.