Epicmafia

deletedover 10 years

fool winning by any other mechanic than their own lynch is gamebreaking and why it will always be unviable for competitive play

deletedover 10 years

"i sometimes townside" is not an effective argument to my criticism. the point is that at the end of the day fools don't work like they were designed to in forum mafia. the setups are too small and cookie cutter that there's no room for fool to be anything other than an unlynchable extended mafia member

Edark

over 10 years

No it isnt

Matt12

over 10 years

It's a liability to side with mafia though.

Edark

over 10 years

Fool siding with town when he can as easily side with scum should be considered GT

Matt12

over 10 years

Points matter to an extent. You ultimately want to win, so if mafia has the capability of back stabbing and town doesn't, then winning with town is much more of an incentive.

deletedover 10 years

Matt12 says

Connor says

Matt12 says

Although fool setups in comp lobby aren't recycled as much, it's still an essential role in a few setups. It's important to learn the different varieties~

please link a setup that fool doesnt just essentially act as an unlynchable extended mafia member who joints at lylo

I've stayed with my town alignment plenty of times. You're not automatically going to side with mafia.

you are if you care about points

Matt12

over 10 years

Connor says

Matt12 says

Although fool setups in comp lobby aren't recycled as much, it's still an essential role in a few setups. It's important to learn the different varieties~

please link a setup that fool doesnt just essentially act as an unlynchable extended mafia member who joints at lylo

I've stayed with my town alignment plenty of times. You're not automatically going to side with mafia.

Edark

over 10 years

what have I done https://epicmafia.com/setup/1092136

Jaleb

over 10 years

Reverse could be okay if people lynch. Satan has put the requirement of lynches in most of his recent versions of the setup in reverse comp.

Jaleb

over 10 years

Shivv says

Fool/Lyncher should be banned from ranked or at the very least training since they don't encourage competitive mafia but w/e training's original purpose has sailed.

Exactly why I bring this up. I know people will get all salty if fool training 3.0 gets blocked (why is that setup even popular?). From what I've seen there are only a few roles that would seem reasonable for people to play ranked. Cult (with the masons to cc them), killer (it's still a battle to win), werewolf (with some restrictions), amn, traitor, maybe mastermind.

deletedover 10 years

Fool/Lyncher should be banned from ranked or at the very least training since they don't encourage competitive mafia but w/e training's original purpose has sailed.

Clair

over 10 years

impossible

Edark

over 10 years

Man, I wanna make a reverse mafia setup thats comp viable

Clair

over 10 years

reverse doesnt count because it's not even mafia

Jaleb

over 10 years

Connor says

Matt12 says

Although fool setups in comp lobby aren't recycled as much, it's still an essential role in a few setups. It's important to learn the different varieties~

please link a setup that fool doesnt just essentially act as an unlynchable extended mafia member who joints at lylo

Reverse got polluted because they were afraid to lynch the fool.

Clair

over 10 years

Matt12 says

Although fool setups in comp lobby aren't recycled as much, it's still an essential role in a few setups. It's important to learn the different varieties~

please link a setup that fool doesnt just essentially act as an unlynchable extended mafia member who joints at lylo

mandevian

over 10 years

what is it that you want to learn?

Edark

over 10 years

same goes for pushing onto someone, you dont need to scumhunt ***

Edark

over 10 years

since getting urself lynched takes little to no effort

Matt12

over 10 years

Although fool setups in comp lobby aren't recycled as much, it's still an essential role in a few setups. It's important to learn the different varieties~