Exactly, but you see, a veteran mod like Connor disagrees with you.
And @Connor: I think you quoted the wrong post I made, so I'm going to answer as I think you meant it, if I'm wrong, my bad. Since you aren't getting your game refunded if you don't try to lynch mafia and give up cause "OMG I can't follow the same setup strategy for the 1000th time, I will have to lynch scummy people instead of cc's which are in my face.. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, GOD OF MAFIA?! Does this game really force me to THINK?! *** that ***, let's just give up, complain about whatever circumstance and throw the game (since giving up is gamethrowing), cause my little gameplay routine has been changed."
If that's the thought process you are referring to, then yes, I'm all for discouraging that. If you can win the game without it being some supreme bravour (like lynching the uncc'd PR who is mafia), then go and do it.
Refunds are for lost hearts which couldn't have been saved.
"was game won because of a violation of the rules?"
"yes"
*refund*
"was game won because of a violation of the rules?"
"no"
no refund
deletedover 10 years
theres no reason why refunds requested that will affect the round can still have multiple mods confirming it just for thoroughness, but it doesn't change the fact that refunding games is a simple act and should be streamlined
And account bans are individual versus refunds that could affect up to ten users, which is a hell of a lot more magnitude and deserves some closer review than just a passing glance.
deletedover 10 years
all players do not care about refunds, and lol at it being difficult to stay at the front of the leaderboard
Kyle it's not just runners I'm concerned with, but all players, especially those top 28 that place. I consider that something in and of itself. It's difficult to stay at the front of the pack.
deletedover 10 years
it's too hard for casual players like myself to get game refunds when there's such a convoluted process between having to request it and having to have a mod get approval from another mod. if one mod's verdict is good enough for suspending players and applying violations that administer bans, then refunding single java mafia games can certainly be done by one mod.
yeah, you are exaggerating. how many games are played on a regular basis in comp lobby that have more than a single runner who will just so happen to be 1 win away from a trophy or not by the end of the round?
I'm not really exaggerating seeing as how only gold hearted games can be refunded. Any and all refunds are game changing. The rule breakage is decided by 1 mod, yes, but should the mod team set the competition one step back because of this rule breakage? One non-administrator person shouldn't be the deciding factor of that.
lets give the impression that we're preventing mod abuse one step at a time
deletedover 10 years
as a user who was here since the first #d competition i only remember a single time where a single heart refund made the difference for a trophy in the end, and that was under completely messed up circumstances.
deletedover 10 years
anyway i think you're exaggerating how important heart refunds are to the competition considering refunds are supposed to be for games that were only won because of rule breakage in the first place, and you don't need 2 mods to make a verdict on that.
A loss by principle is never equivalent to a refund because in addition to losing the game, you also lost your heart. Refunds have a larger impact than just rule breaking; the fact that the competition can run neck to neck with only a margin of several points can make refunds have a HUGE impact in late competition, and this impact is the reason it should be taken with caution rather than just refunding games willy-nilly.
are you saying that it's okay for town to keep trying in a "well if we try we win and no refund and if we lose we get a refund lol sucks to be mafia right now"
deletedover 10 years
so? rarely, but even then so could a single loss, which is equivalent to a refund anyway. if a game is refunded it means that person only won because of a violation of the rules in the first place.
