Epicmafia

Self Voting for Clear is GTing

over 9 years

If you self vote for the clear, you are game throwing. To self vote is to avoid your win condition: to survive.

By voting for yourself in a situation where you are not suspected of being mafia by the clear, you are presenting the clear with the opportunity to hammer you. Take a game with 7 people alive for instance, where Player A is not suspected by the clear. Player A votes for his or herself in order to allow the clear to hammer. By doing so, Player A raises his or her chances of being hammered from 0% to 16%.

Regardless of Player A's alignment, this is against their win condition. If, in this situation, Player B and Player C are suspected by the clear, then Player A is also reducing the chances of the suspected players being hammered from 50% to 16%, a far greater decrease(and thus a greater gain) than the change in Player As chances.

Now, the obvious counter argument to this is that if the clear suspects Player B, or Player C, they will not hammer Player A because that would be counter intuitive. And I would agree with you. But if this is the case, why then should Player A self vote at all? Why should the clear ask for everyone to self vote and to provide a hammer? Instead, the clear should lead a lynch upon one of the two suspects. In this case, input could be requested from the other live players, providing interactions between players, and more evidence for a lynch. It also reduces the amount of ATE arising from the self vote hammer where players may sway opinions, and a clear given the option of multiple choices may decide to gamble.

If you are self voting for the clear before three way lylo, you are gamethrowing. Mafia should never be voting for themselves, and town should never be voting for themselves.

Potentially, the fool should be voting for himself, but it also makes much more sense for him to vote for someone softing PR.

blacksnakemoan

over 9 years

Giga13 says

>"pranay 7 way, 2 mislynches" LOOOOL

this poll is the best lmao

you forgot pranay 8way mylo though, which is the next best one

Tbh, I couldn't figure out how even Pranay would put town in that situation.

Giga13

over 9 years

>"pranay 7 way, 2 mislynches" LOOOOL

this poll is the best lmao

you forgot pranay 8way mylo though, which is the next best one

blacksnakemoan

over 9 years

UniversalStudios says

The real problem is that it's acceptable to lynch people purely for not wanting to self vote regardless of alignment.

UniversalStudios

over 9 years

The real problem is that it's acceptable to lynch people purely for not wanting to self vote regardless of alignment.

blacksnakemoan

over 9 years

Bump because people are still asking for self votes.

UniversalStudios

over 9 years

You should. It's a practice meant for pointfarming and has no place in ranked play.

deletedover 9 years

nah. i will say most times when i'm clear i lead a lynch but gauging reading from leading lynches are really not as strong as people say. in the event i am fairly certain that someone is mafia and i don't want them fishing a role i get town to self vote and hammer my for sure read.

you can't vio people for self voting for the clear to hammer or vice versa

deletedover 9 years

clear should just lead on a vote instead of asking for selfs

itll also give a reaction and help if you actually want to stick with the lynch. i like to vote the clear when they ask for hammer to see if they would hammer me, because if they werent, why would i need to self?

deletedover 9 years

unironically agree

blacksnakemoan

over 9 years

Benjamin250 says

It is not game throwing to self vote because it is in favor of your win condition to not be voted, and there are some situations in which you will be more suspect if you do not self and everyone else does.

Objecting to a bad meta should not cause a player to be suspected of being mafia.

Orly says

selfvoting for clear's hammer prevents BWing or mafia leading certain towns to a lynch they want.

But it doesn't prevent the mafia putting forward good FoS suggestions which get town lynched by the clear.

Leaving the decision of who gets hammered entirely to a clear is lazy play on the part of the town, and is entrusting an entire game to someone who may lack the intelligence to make that decision.

sl0nderman

over 9 years

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___[redacted] Don't mind me plebs, just taking my slurs for a walk

Orly

over 9 years

selfvoting for clear's hammer prevents BWing or mafia leading certain towns to a lynch they want.

please, dont overthink this. it might hurt your head

deletedover 9 years

Depends on situation

deletedover 9 years

It is not game throwing to self vote because it is in favor of your win condition to not be voted, and there are some situations in which you will be more suspect if you do not self and everyone else does.

Kellyn

over 9 years

To add to this, I would like to point out that self-voting when the clock is out could possibly lead to blitzing. This can be avoided.

UniversalStudios

over 9 years

Pranay's practices are abusive and should be moderated.

VictoriaEldor

over 9 years

panthero says

wrong, you can force the clear to vote with you by caps spamming.

ur so right omg!!

panthero

over 9 years

wrong, you can force the clear to vote with you by caps spamming. and you can do many other things. It is true that on LYLO if one town votes wrong then the town loses, but you never know how dumb the mafia are. They might bus.

VictoriaEldor

over 9 years

The clear can change their mind at any point, your chances are always the same because since the person who has the final say is cleared, you have no power by just voting for someone else.

What if you don't self-vote? It does not mean that you voting for someone else increases your odds, because the game cannot end until the final vote comes in (the clear).

panthero

over 9 years

You are absolutely right. I never self vote for the clear on 4 way with a clear. I force the lynch onto my fos. But when i am clear I make them self vote because I dont wanna let others lead when i am better than them. And when someone is not fosd and self votes without being asked to self vote, i hammer that guy. Because i dont see town self voting when he is sure on a mafia.

PS: you are just mad and trying to state the obvious while being prejudiced.