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over 9 years

Lots of players that I use to play with no longer play here. When reviewing the rules, I realized they seem to have minor alterations here and there which I must have missed before. This is when I came across a subjective rule near the end of the rule list

which states-"Excessive insults against one or more persons/groups based on slurs/comments against race, sexual orientation, religion or other similar personal circumstances. More likely to issue the violation if a person being abused has asked the offender or others in the game or thread to cease."

Then I continued and read this-"Posting a hidden link or using scripts in the forums, in game, on a player's wall, through private messages, etc."

Apparently my notes and punishments where from in game. The ironic thing is if you get punished for them, you get forum banned until a set amount of time, giving you no way to report the information. I remember being on a server that did the exact same thing, it was ran by 10 year olds on garry's mod and it was DDOS'd and its admin to user ratio was complete garbage.

Sandbox has never enforced these rules when I played and was known for having no rules at all other then harassment, which was never taken seriously. This site obviously either doesn't belong to Lucid anymore and I just didn't get the message that this game has been tainted by a third party, or Lucid has made a terrible mistake giving people admin simply because experience and no warnings. Just because you don't break the rules as a user doesn't mean you don't break the rules as an admin, especially if you know that the host is stupid enough not to cross check everything they can in such a low populated game.

Let's talk about the hateful comment rule. This involves generalization's that are derogatory. What about generalization's that are not derogatory? What about the words communism and capitalism? This game was addicting because it allowed me to see how tricky people could try to be and how gullible people are even when shown evidence. This was one of the best formats for a social experiment I have seen on the internet. Now I guess because the user base has shrunk due to other games who don't ban for saying something that could easily be ignored by someone with self-discipline and tolerance, Lucid figured to let some random group of people take over the left overs of the user base. In real life, even reporting something like that wouldn't be taken serious in most places as a common folk, as only children act this way, and I mean 12 year old's and lower.

As for the script thing, didn't sandbox have no rules? I guess no safety zone for the people who actually were members of this community anymore to come back to. They will come back here and tell themselves," This site went to the gutters". Actions should be more important then words, as they actually effect people. I don't know what sick planet you guys come from that thought any different, but, ya'll should have stayed there. I'll come back to this site once Lucid snaps out of it or whoever took over the site decides to give the illusion that the site was what it use to be, again. Till then, time to play real games.

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Marco says

tbh i think the lobby owners should be people who are site mods/admins bc i don't trust anybody else


which lobbies, all of them?
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tbh i think the lobby owners should be people who are site mods/admins bc i don't trust anybody else
over 9 years

SonicTheHuman says

"Oh, and let's not forget to pick someone that actually replies to their messages and is completely unbiased, yes?"

Welp there goes me with the rest of sandbox


Touche.
over 9 years
"Oh, and let's not forget to pick someone that actually replies to their messages and is completely unbiased, yes?"

Welp there goes me with the rest of sandbox
over 9 years

SonicTheHuman says

"Power Hungry Individuals"
Literally the only mods that matter out of main are sandbox and games. Sandbox only has one and well games mods don't really do anything besides clean chat ._.


Actually, they really don't matter, as they don't do much. However, having their titles makes them feel and act entitled, which they are not. Such entitlement has led to unfair bans from chat and overall sandbox lobby. If we really, truly need these mods and owners, then let's pick some more fair and generous people. Oh, and let's not forget to pick someone that actually replies to their messages and is completely unbiased, yes? I think replying to user messages that are of importance are part of being, as bronto put it, "helpful".
over 9 years
"Power Hungry Individuals"
Literally the only mods that matter out of main are sandbox and games. Sandbox only has one and well games mods don't really do anything besides clean chat ._.
over 9 years

rockgirlnikki says


thebrontosaurus says

The regulations came about because people can't behave themselves, unfortunately.

Laws exist because you can't trust people to act in a way that that society accepts without adding a consequence for the poor behavior. We wouldn't need mods if people didn't go out of their way to antagonize others or ruin games.


Right, but those are mods - site mods. What about all the unnecessary lobby owners and lobby owners' sidekick "mods" that really don't do anything? Site mods are one thing, but the rest of these people are power-hungry individuals that really aren't do anything for the lobbies.


Well for a community like Sandbox, it makes sense to have some extra mods who hang out in Sandbox more and can take care of thing like banning people who are evading and things of that nature.

I don't know the relationship the sandbox community has with their lobby mods, but lobby mods don't really have that much power there and are helpful in fixing some problems faster. I can't say what Games or Vivor think of this either, and that's also largely because most of the site mods don't venture into those parts of the site regularly because most of us are Main Lobby players predominantly.
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tl;dr
over 9 years

thebrontosaurus says

The regulations came about because people can't behave themselves, unfortunately.

Laws exist because you can't trust people to act in a way that that society accepts without adding a consequence for the poor behavior. We wouldn't need mods if people didn't go out of their way to antagonize others or ruin games.


Right, but those are mods - site mods. What about all the unnecessary lobby owners and lobby owners' sidekick "mods" that really don't do anything? Site mods are one thing, but the rest of these people are power-hungry individuals that really aren't do anything for the lobbies.
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Bring admin forum viable
over 9 years
The regulations came about because people can't behave themselves, unfortunately.

Laws exist because you can't trust people to act in a way that that society accepts without adding a consequence for the poor behavior. We wouldn't need mods if people didn't go out of their way to antagonize others or ruin games.
over 9 years

rockgirlnikki says

Also, the lobbies went down hill when we started having multiple "mods" outside of comp/training & "lobby owners". Its unnecessary, as all of the lobbies were up and running 3 years ago without them. Additionally, this website is not advertised at all, which is part of the reason for a stagnate user population. To be completely honest, bronto is a fine "admin", or whatever you want to call it. The real problem is the strange increase in strict regulations. Understandable in some cases, but for petty nonsense its dumb. Back to bronto as "admin", I have no problem with it; we must all expect that Lucid is going to have other matters in his personal life to deal with. His life is not centered around epicmafia in the same way that Steve Jobs centered his life around Apple. He is in the medical field, which as far as I'm concerned has nothing to do with this site. Due to this, at some point or another, the site will be passed on entirely to another individual.


Problem is, without mods it's impossible to keep the trolls away - the site is too big or busy for lucid to manage all of this himself, nor would he want to - the community can sustain itself at this point by appointing mods.

As admin, I am responsible for the day-to-day site stuff - moderation and keeping things in order, protecting players from rulebreakers, etc. I wouldn't be here if lucid didn't need someone to help take care of the site on the front-end, his duties are all on the back-end (coding, bugs, procuring ads, etc)
over 9 years

shouko says


rockgirlnikki says

Shouko pls bb


>having to upvote ur posts to cope with the fact that i disagree


Because you're negging everything without reason. And also because you've been a prick to me lately for no reason, but you can PM me on that one. ;)
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rockgirlnikki says

Shouko pls bb


>having to upvote ur posts to cope with the fact that i disagree
over 9 years
Shouko pls bb
over 9 years
Also, the lobbies went down hill when we started having multiple "mods" outside of comp/training & "lobby owners". Its unnecessary, as all of the lobbies were up and running 3 years ago without them. Additionally, this website is not advertised at all, which is part of the reason for a stagnate user population. To be completely honest, bronto is a fine "admin", or whatever you want to call it. The real problem is the strange increase in strict regulations. Understandable in some cases, but for petty nonsense its dumb. Back to bronto as "admin", I have no problem with it; we must all expect that Lucid is going to have other matters in his personal life to deal with. His life is not centered around epicmafia in the same way that Steve Jobs centered his life around Apple. He is in the medical field, which as far as I'm concerned has nothing to do with this site. Due to this, at some point or another, the site will be passed on entirely to another individual.
over 9 years
Preach, Smirk, preach.
over 9 years
You quoted me because you love me :D
over 9 years

SonicTheHuman says


falconpunch says

The real issue with this site is that 15% of the players make 95% of the posts on the forum

The people who leave/don't want to play because of bad moderating won't even post here so threads like this get negged.


That's because most players aren't on here to be a part of the community, they're just here to play mafia and go away. Like how on a train station not everyone starts talking to eachother, just a small group of bold people. The rest stay quiet. Bad moderation, I wince every time someone says that. So what a bunch of people decide to act like banned users for "teh l0lz" and start crying when they get reported and a mod takes action. Now if you recall. When someone suspected to be a banned user DOESNT get banned, you all cry anyways until he's banned. Mods are just applying "Better safe than sorry" to these reports. It's not like bans can't be undone. And newer players rarely get banned for impersonation. It's usually someones alt, as in the case with all three reports groundhog linked, and also, all of them were solved quietly and peacefully. They pointed out a mistake, he fixed them. Now if he had refused to fix them, then this could've been called bad moderation

Should I shut up now? I probably should...



Honestly didn't read all of this, nor have I kept up with the thread.

However I've been a member since 2010, and I left the site quite frequently because people I had come to know left and such.

Bad moderation had nothing to do with it for me to leave, I didn't even pay attention to moderation. And as for forum posts, I didn't start posting in forums until I was completely comfortable in the community.

Lastly I forget why I quoted sonic because I went completely off what I was thinking but oh well :::)
over 9 years
Been here since 2008 and I can tell you this much: While Sandbox was never moderated harassment was taken upon the playerbase to mitigate. This lead to people keeping up ban lists and forming cliques with their friends in order to have fun in sandbox. I rarely played outside of games I knew people in because it wasn't fun. Extreme versions of harassment would eventually get moderated though so it's false to assume that no one ever got banned from something they said in Sandbox.

When it comes to games that really depend heavily on a permanent community-like playerbase you have to find some balance on how you moderate. I'm sure that the moderation team is learning that over time. There are some people on the site who are toxic to a community and should be banned almost as soon as you get the first few reports. There are some people who are constantly stepping into the grey area of the rules who aren't toxic to the community and you have to bite your tongue and keep people like that. I speak from experience as I have been a Community Manager a couple times. This site is getting a little bit too close to the ban-happy side of moderation but I can see they are learning and getting better everyday.
over 9 years

Nitroxium says

For the record, policy does not scare people away. I always see noavis come back with an avi and they laugh it off like regular people.


nice joke lol
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Hood says

which circle jerk is everyone talking about


the anticirclejerk circlejerk duh
over 9 years
which circle jerk is everyone talking about
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Nitroxium says

At the current time, the circle jerk are the same people who try to enforce their ways of thinking upon people, which in some cases are good because it works against transphobia for example, which I find despicable,


it's funny you mention this because i can think of at least two people who were bullied off this site by people in the current "circle jerk" and who were also transgender in some way and had that used against them, to the point where they felt unsafe here.
over 9 years
I left by the way.... (stares around awkwardly) but I think I'll just leave this here. https://epicmafia.com/report/43

Basically the only difference now is that you are allowed to break the rule of harassment, you just have to wait for a 3 month cool down to use harassment twice again.