no i've only mentioned that a million times good reading comprehension skills

Goodbar has yet to acknowledge Empire's intent to throw the game.

With the "lynching the clear" argument, people lynch the oracle on a mislynch to get the reveal, which isn't optimal play, but I wouldn't call it gamethrowing

*positive correlation

nling has absolutely no correlation with how strong town plays and that's where you fall flat on your face and should stop talking

The purpose of the NL is that it may overall increase my win rate as long as my town play is strong (Which I am confident that it is) in that if I can get the same w/r out of the 5 way LyLo by skill as I would from the mislynch I should keep my town winrate constant and my mafia winrate should go up. It also provides good practice for my townplay but that's not really the point.

And again, assuming my town play is done with skill (Correct reads+Am able to be convincing) my win ratio as town should stay consistent. For the record, I am 2-4 with a successful Day 1 NL on Stab. 2-2 as mafia, and 0-2 as town. However, on town both times I died before getting to 5 way.

those are all non suboptimal strategies that have situational purposes. nling every game is not situational.

and if suboptimal strategies aren't gamethrowing then i don't suppose i can go into every game and just lynch the clear and come up with roundabout excuses for it then?

Not always playing statistically suboptimally is gamethrowing? What about roleswapping, 4 way MyLo lynches, WIFOM saving, and shooting outside of cop claims in A&D? Are these all throwing? Mafia is more than a statistics game.

you choose a strategy which deters your chances of winning and you are 100% aware of it, that's gamethrowing. statistics are win/losses and yea that actually is everything, if you lose more, you're losing more, because you're playing worse than you know you could be, end of story.

I don't think suboptimal strategies are gamethrowing, but I'm willing to hear any counter-arguments

Also experimenting, as long as it isn't gamethrowing, never has and never will be violation worthy. My play on Stab is definitely experimental, because it's a method of play different from the norm, but it is very apparent both in my logs and in my games that I think it allows me to win. If you were to ban everything that were statistically suboptimal you would have to ban things such as WIFOM, lynching in 4 way MyLo with a town read leading rather than a clear, and roleswapping and just generally not playing any established setup strat.

Threatening to lynch anyone who opposes me is something incredibly common even in regular play (Ex. Vote X or I'm voting you tomorrow, claim or I'm voting you). Even though 5 way may be statistically suboptimal I believe that it will not make a significant difference in my town win rate assuming I have enough skill. There is also no reason for the mod not to ask me any questions, here or via Skype, if they feel the need, because this is a very controversial topic.

The core of it is that I am confident enough in my townplay that I believe I should be able to win 5 way LyLo with or without the ML. If it was me randomly picking names and lynching, it would be (statistically) suboptimal but that is not the case. As mafia, it gets rid of a free town ML which makes it much easier for me to win as I only have to get 1 mislynch off as opposed to two. In addition, in setups such as C-14 and BV, it increases the chance of both PRs living to 5 way because on the ML day the mafia will 100% fish it when being lynched. Not following the typical setup strat, statistically optimal or not, is not gamethrowing because statistics are not everything in the game of mafia and it is very apparent if you read all of the logs and the games that I have no intent to throw. It DID start off as trolling (the first few games) but it very quickly became something more.

"i should be confident enough in my townplay" is not playing to your win condition, it's a confession that you're putting yourself in a more difficult situation. furthermore threatening to lynch anyone who opposes you is way far from playing to your win condition. lastly no one needs to talk to you on skype, i think the pastebin fleshed out everything that needs to be heard.

Also, conversation with Bearissoslow from earlier today, coincidentally: 1:08 PM - Empire: also the best part about the SS No Lynch is that it's seriously not even trolling anymore
1:08 PM - Slow: pranay is the skipper of the SS NL
1:08 PM - Empire: he da best
1:09 PM - Empire: but like i feel as though i should be confident enough in my townplay to go into 5 way LyLo and win
1:09 PM - Slow is now Offline.
1:09 PM - Empire: and so doing that is a way to ~practice my townplay~
1:09 PM - Slow is currently offline, they will receive your message the next time they log in.
1:09 PM - Empire: and at the same time as mafia i suck *** and get a free 5 way lylo anyway lol

Whichever mod rules on this needs to add me on Skype before they do it.