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closeddeletedabout 6 years
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APPEAL -- https://epicmafia.com/report/258791 This is an absolutely ridiculous GT vio, as I completely followed my wincon as per it's outlined in the Vice President role. To win, president has to be dead, and I have to be president. There's no better way to achieve this in this setup than by killing president night one with my ability to kill (for some reason?) and hoping that between the two VPs, I'm picked as next president. I had zero intent to lose, and the worst thing you can say against me is that I didn't understand this new, weird third-party role. I doubt this will be appealed - due to my attitude most people consider any mod actions against me justified - but it's an awful precedent to hand out GT vios in cases where there's a misunderstanding about a role that was just implemented, and that was my first time playing as.
deletedabout 6 years
i'll ot it then, but i'm lowballing carmen as "cannot read words as they are presented" for the rest of the time she's on the site, because she literally does not fathom how words work
about 6 years
She played to her win con and got a GT vio? LMAO. Mods are so bad.
about 6 years
At the very least, this vio has shown how terrible the role is, which needs to be revamped or removed.

I'm dodging all setups with the current iteration of the VP role in it, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
deletedabout 6 years
this rlly shouldn't be a vio

vice president is literally categorized as a third party role while simultaneously saying "sided with the village" in the description

carmen tried to get president killed because president dying is literally the only way that she could win -- she went about it poorly, but her intent was to play to her own wincon and become president
about 6 years
???

You're the one bringing up completely random shi­t lol, did you just vio me for fun lol, just admit it
deletedabout 6 years
about 6 years
THEN WHY BRING UP JFK

holy shi­t I'm baffled right now, you legit brought up something that has zero relevance to enforce this vio
about 6 years
Seriously, imagine releasing an extremely complicated role then handing out 24 hr suspensions the same day for not understanding it.
deletedabout 6 years
i never said jfk has a vp role my dude. maybe i should've nv'd if you really can't read.
about 6 years
WOW now a member of the mod team straight up accuses of me lying. Dude you're the one making the claim, please pull up these multiple times I've reported someone in JFK. There are none. This doesn't have relevance anyway, because JFK does not have the vice president role.

Seriously why are you a mod lmao
deletedabout 6 years
okay lol, if you wanna like flat out lie, be my guest
about 6 years
I have never reported someone in JFK, I don't even play that setup. Also President role makes sense, VICE PRESIDENT role where you have to make sure pres dies yet you're "sided with the town" does not.

Extremely petty vio, please read what you're saying.
deletedabout 6 years
i'm mocking you because you make like 20 reports a week about jfk games and you're now trying to tell me you don't know how the president role affects town wincons.
about 6 years
You're right...? I don't. What are you even talking about.

VP is extremely esoteric, and yes we're talking about VP not pres. From the wording of your comments here it's clear you really want me to get this vio for personal reasons, and any mod who just looks at this objectively knows I didn't GT.
deletedabout 6 years
yeah, my bad, you never play games with the president role nor do you ever make reports about people outing president in a setup and call that throwing. my b carmen. should've known you weren't aware of such esoteric site mechanics you've never interacted with.
about 6 years
And yes I said VP was sided with the mafia as a criticism of the role, not as a justification for GT. Any "townsided" role that has to kill president to win isn't townsided.
about 6 years
I wasn't trying to let mafia win, genius. I was trying to kill the president so I could become vice president.
deletedabout 6 years
i too think that you claiming a role is "sided with the mafia" was an innocent misunderstanding after you spammed that you would win when town lost.
deletedabout 6 years
carmen claimed vp was "sided with the mafia", then claimed it was a "meme setup" to justify her behavior (read: playing against her wincon). unless you legitimately think carmen is incapable of logical thought processes required to understand that losing does not equal winning, which honestly you're forgiven if you lowball her that hard, then you really have no reason to not vio this
about 6 years
Well I was drunk this morning, wanted to play with the new roles and quickly saw the VP role made ZERO sense. "Sided with the town" means nothing, roles like autocrat are technically sided with the town and still have to play against it. I was following my wincon where I HAVE to have president die to win.

https://epicmafia.com/topic/91027 Everyone ITT agrees that "sided with the town" should be taken off the VP role anyway, considering it's a third party role that has to kill president to win. You can't defend this vio whatsoever and until you OT it to NV, it will just set a bad precedent where misunderstanding/bad play is construed as GT.

Look at this game and tell me if you sincerely think I was trying to lose. I would've never tried to kill president for the entire game if I was trying to lose lmao. Dumb role and dumber vio.
deletedabout 6 years
shockingly i think mafia winning also doesn't help you win
about 6 years
Cannot win if they are the vice president
Cannot win if they are the vice president
Cannot win if they are the vice president
Cannot win if they are the vice president
deletedabout 6 years
no offense carmen but i think you have enough braincells to read "sided with the village" under the vice president role and the only way i'd ever NV you in this scenario is if i think you lacked the basic reading competency required to perform the action i just listed. if you really want to claim illiteracy as a defense just lmk and i'll self OT
about 6 years
Vote to OT to no vio - I think her reactions to her vio and distaste to her "Getting the presidents killed to her win condition" was genuine out of game
about 6 years
Appealed under my alt, as I accidentally appealed the first time in Sandbox.