AND WHILE I'M AT IT. The alternative question, if anyone is interested, would be "did this player, in his actions, stop trying to win the game in favor of some other result" (some other action either being grudge lynching or throwing in favor of a person to win). That second one is kind of redundant cases like this, but becomes an important differentiation when dealing with people throwing for/against runners.

There is no such thing as "x is considered Gamethrowing", which is why specific role- or action-dependant precedents are null and void. We judge simply on "did this player intend to throw the game?".

Oh this is actually really obviously a NV. Game throwing, for the ten millionth time, requires intent to throw. That is not present, not even a little bit. He was obviously trying to win. And Connor is right, voting with a refund in mind voids the refund. Giga, you could be reported for OGI here.

Putting this back in open because I realized don't have time to read through all of this until later today.

Ok Akalia, that's fine. I'll stop berating you and there is plenty of blame to go around for that loss. Just a crappy way to lose the game though. Also roleswapping in that setup is hella and you should know better. I believe you weren't GT now. Fine I'm for a NV, sorry for being cranky.

Scumlord, I had already basically templar-told hard, if you read early D1. I'm really bad at concealing myself as templar, and I thought one of you / Caesar was definitely scum at that point. So I wanted to out to make sure you didnt force-lead the lynch. Caesar tried to do that even despite my claiming, and that's one of the main reasons I chose him for the ML. I really wanted to get Giga, and if we had, I think that game was won with my code in place. Sadly, TEMB was not adept at comp games and clearly wasn't able to type/quote fast enough to do anything against Wizardry. That, I had not planned for, and considering his W/L rate, I figured he would have been. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered with such a gambit in the first place. Needless to say, I was relying on you towntelling if you were town, and you nearly did save the game. Sadly, Giga used OGI to push the issue and force a loss, not unvoting no matter what.

Haha epic joke report I ponder how long it's going to take to NV it.

Why would you ever think that's a good idea to claim templar with no votes on you like that like what 3 mins into d1 with a fake partner? Can you explain your thought process with that and why you thought that was a good idea?

If Akalia's identity is relevant to a motive for GT it 100% should be outed.

Akalia, I'm not demanding a refund or anything like that. Your play was just so incomprehensible that even mafia thought you were GTing. Let that sink in. So yea you got reported and the mods can judge.

Akalia at least admit you played like garbage and lost us the game.

Oh, and Caesar/Scumlord, it's kind of pathetic that you have to resort to these measures to get a refund/eliminate a competitor. I'm definitely disappointed in your behavior here. I thought both of you were better than this.

And mods, don't you dare out who I am. You have been warned.

First of all, wow. That's a lot of comments. Second of all, yes, I am an alt, and no, I did not try to throw for someone's benefit. "Throwing for her own benefit" - yeah, that makes a lot of sense, when I need the wins to get a trophy. Third of all, we would have won this game if TheEpicMailBox was not as novice and could properly quote. I have a feeling neither of these two have even reread the game. The plan, from N1, was to have a code so that I could claim D1 (because I am bad at hiding that I am templar) and let my townread be my templar partner. If that guy was scum, there would be a code in place for my teammate to be unCC'able. Ideally, though, Wizardry would lead D2 and then mafia would kill wrong, then TEMB could out with his code. So let's get this straight: not only is this not refundable, but not a gamethrow either. And since you two are pushing the issue and pissing me off, Giga13 is now being reported for OGI.

Also, to make it perfectly clear I don't really suspect Akalia of cheating for Jesus/Robik like less than 5% chance that's the case. It still should be looked into though we've got a huge mod team wouldn't take that long to look into a bit. I've come to terms this is a likely NV unless there is further proof.

TLDR: Akalia played bad this game and should feel bad. You don't confuse blues with a fake temp partner d1 it messes up everyones reads its hard enough to read people as blue in this setup.

Claiming templar d1 and outting mafia as your partner with no votes on you all I will say is no one with a 64% win rate does that as normal game play...I guess we all do stupid stuff sometime but IDK. That combined with effectively policy fosing Caes + me + every town in the game, its just a lot to completely write off without investigating.

Akaila clearly does not know robik or jesus. She was throwing for her own benefit

Scumlord's just mad he lost. No player with a 64% win rate goes round throwing games.

Are you serious scumlord. I have no clue who akalia is and I have no close friends on this site besides people that I play video mafia with, and none of them play comp anymore. I can't believe you're actually accusing me of even remotely cheating or asking someone to cheat or anything. I can show you my pm logs if you'd like too. i have absolutely 0 interaction with akalia and i don't think i have played more than 1-2 games with her. . i don't even know if it's a he or she

Otherwise the GT is kinda hard to prove. It's hard to believe anyone with that much experiences could play so blatantly against their win condition by mistake though.

If akalia is a known alt/close friend of jesus/robik this should be 100% refunded. That's pretty much what this report should be about.

Idk why you're saying sorry scumlord. Anyway it's definitely bad play based on intentions because Akalia was trying to win but just made a bad move. I can see how you would argue otherwise scumlord because you're running and you lost. Sorry mate.

Even if this is not refunded Akaila deserves a gamethrowing violation

Refund aside, its definitely gamethrowing. Sorry Wiz.

I doubt someone with 64.6% throws games, akalia's intent was to win for town, both templars agreed to the coding strategy. Had the person she was roleswapping with been town, it would've been likely town win. Not gamethrowing but simply a failed gambit.