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closedabout 10 yearsfor Game 3398490
https://epicmafia.com/game/3398490/review sneaklemming and shifter both forced meteor after I told them we cant do that. Shifter chose to force nl when kicks are up rather than give us a chance. Shifter also was getting pretty aggressive that last day when I was insisting.
about 10 years
You were not giving me the option to try to win. You literally were going to force a loss for everyone. So when asked if I would report it, I said yes I would because at that point forcing a nl when we have a chance to win is gt. So forcing you to vote because otherwise you were gt'ing is not unreasonable. Shifter should also get a violation. You were the only 2 that agreed to it. Sorry sneaklemming, I think you're a great player but I don't like one player determining we're going to lose because mafia wouldn't kill. I will say though, if someone says, "if you vote me again I'm going to report you," that is making the person afraid to vote that person. What I was doing was asking you to not break the rules. That is far different.
about 10 years
I'm just wondering for future clarification if the nk to force the town to vote or face a report is an encouraged tactic for winning games? Or are the others in this game going to also recieve violations?
about 10 years
This doesnt seem like a fair use of the reporting system to be honest. I didn't troll or game throw. I'll take the violation if thats the final judgement, but I wanted to say I feel it isn't fair.
deletedabout 10 years
I've decided to switch this to GT, despite my personal bias towards the situation which I elaborated on with Kartwheel.
deletedabout 10 years
I talked this over with a moderator. We both agreed that this deserves a sort of violation but I am of the personal opinion that their actions weren't severe enough to warrant a full GT. I believe sneak and shifter were well aware of what they were doing by drawing it, but also that sneak specifically wanted to NL for two other underlying reasons that attributed as to why I don't feel it's full GT, which is her not wanting a '4 way' and the town-read she had on sneak. It seemed like a situation where sneak/shift would take the draw over a loss, which I would like to state is not encouraged, but I believe isn't harsh enough for a full violation. You basically forced sneak into voting her town-read (along with cyber who was voting him) to which she didn't want to do, which caused the draw. It was something retroactively done to get out of a loss due to a mechanic that was implemented in the first place to stop trolls from dragging games out by continuing to NK or NL in the first place.
about 10 years
They even said, "If no one tells the mods, it won't be a problem."
about 10 years
not sure why it's a note when they were warned numerous times in the game. They knew the rules as demonstrated d5.
about 10 years
Will you please be sure to make a report for shifter?
about 10 years
I cannot make 2 reports for same game, so please consider it a report for both.