Circle of Trust Mafia2,057

deleted1mon 27d
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Discord server: https://discord.gg/dBbtC9f Head on over if you're playing or want to spec!

Setup doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p91TLKkfcWJB5ryH6JELNTrHkmrvk5im5sSZc-o_bVQ/edit?usp=sharing

Countdown to P2: https://countingdownto.com/?c=3133241 July 26 @ 6am Eastern

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Grinner1mon 25d
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Rules
Sample role PMs will be given, and anyone can (and should) request that I give them a role PM for a made up role in the format I would give to players if I were including that role.
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shady
You know what I just thought of... X-Day is some total Object shït. Marry would call it like Zany Christmas Racer
before you settle your vote on some false logic, just remember that marry did get a real role PM and could easily have switched it up with the same formats object used
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SamP4Palmer
Why can't we put honey at c2 @bsm
because it's 3am and people are lazy voting to go to bed, just vote the unanimous town read instead of doing this stupid dance around the issue by trying to figure out if the person who outed a carol and then claimed to also be a relay racing neighbouriser is actually a real role or if she's just making a balls to the wall play to win
SamP4Palmer1mon 25d
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also let it sink in that sams read was wrong again ;)
Sigh....
SamP4Palmer1mon 25d
Me when I learn that Honey’s role doesn’t require anything

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deleted1mon 25d!
I think next time what I'll do is this:

Instead of losing, town just can't win with a mafia in the circle. If you vote someone already in the circle, you're voting to remove them from the circle.

So if town nominates a mafia they just need to waste a circle to find the mafia and get them out, then get another town in. Night still happens on a normal schedule, once per 2 circles.
deleted1mon 25d!
Town won't learn there's a mafia in the circle until there are 6 members and they don't win.

So town sort of has 1 mis-circle but it's very bad for them.
i think i'd fly over and find you if you made me spend 6 days in a game just to lose because there was no option to get rid of mafia lmao so the vote out is good
deleted1mon 25d
I'd end the game if there was no possibility of town winning, i.e. if they put 2 mafia in the circle or there was one in the circle and mafia gained an advantage on kills that town couldn't gain back.
deleted1mon 25d
So people in the circle wouldn't really be clear, they'd just be players town is heavily invested in being town.
deleted1mon 25d!
In usual circumstances maf would be able to force a win if:

a) there's a maf in the circle and the town removes the wrong player at the end

b) there's 2 maf in the circle or town adds another maf after removing one

c) there's a maf in the circle and maf gains a kills advantage somehow
tbh i think even this game was fine if we didn't have afks.

it was a bit frustrating, but now people have seen how it works, i feel like we could run it back and if there were no absent players, then the outcome would be quite different.
nbtnbt51mon 25d
not even mad we lost. better to lose earlier rather than later imho

this setup is soooooo scumsided. why does mafia get two win conditions? remove the night kills imho
nbtnbt51mon 25d
staypositivefriend
staypositivefriend
i dont understand how "should we vote the universal townread or the person who is less universally townread?' became a big struggle session in a setup called circle of trust
requoting this because im salty
totally misread u tbh, which is why I ignored u. my bad!
SamP4Palmer1mon 25d
nbtnbt5
not even mad we lost. better to lose earlier rather than later imho

this setup is soooooo scumsided. why does mafia get two win conditions? remove the night kills imho
Same, except I am kinda annoyed that Sonrio, the women hater, won without being lynched d1
nbtnbt51mon 25d
we can't lynch anybody in this stupid setup. that's why it's he'lla mafia sided
Sonrio1mon 25d
+1
SamP4Palmer
nbtnbt5
not even mad we lost. better to lose earlier rather than later imho

this setup is soooooo scumsided. why does mafia get two win conditions? remove the night kills imho
Same, except I am kinda annoyed that Sonrio, the women hater, won without being lynched d1
Thank you for being 4th mafia!
marry1mon 25d
marry
shady
Are you saying Object misworded your role PM and had to clarify to you?
more like im stupid and needed clarification on the day specific modifier. maybe there could be all that explanation in the role pm but that is my original role pm and it has never been reworded by me or anyone else

trying to keep integrity
marry
i didnt notice that and if thats a point of contention im asking you to ignore it cuz nobodys perfect
marry
just trust what i say about it as if its from the role pm
marry
shady
Ok so marry, what makes you believe if you’re voted C1 that when C2 occurs you will receive more info instead of D2? Nowhere in your role does it say that. Please help me understand how you know that
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marry
yeah its misworded
I misworded my own role pm that I created. I was telling the truth...
Yes1mon 25d!
Assuming mafia only kills in circle and no PRs, the odds of town circling 6 players correctly are 9P6/12P6, or 1 in 11.

Killing outside of the circle improves town's odds (though not by much), so it's optimal to keep PRs out of circle and force mafia to trade off.

With a neapolitan cop, it's also optimal for all scum to claim PRs, nullifying the cop. Town will not know which claims are ccs as they don't know the number of PRs in the game.

Basically the setup you chose was extremely scumsided. You need much better PRs if there is no lynching mechanic, and possibly a smaller circle.

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