12p discourse290

Alyssa6mon 4d
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spaceApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Skipping on commuter, and I'm still conflicted on both cyclist and monkey
okay monkey kinda confused me for months until someone explained it to me and i'm a huge fan.

because what cyclist does is it makes visits from one user go to the next but monkey actually looks at the first user it picks and says "okay, i'm taking over now, and i'm going to perform your role on another user or yourself." this can allow monkey to make mafia kill itself, make gunners gun themselves or gun a clear user, there's about a million useful things monkey can do and a million ways to play it but cyclist can only do one thing and the thing it does is actually better suited for mafia, which is why driver is a great role.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
New discourse: Keymaker
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
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Robin Hood may not be included ultimately because yeah, it needs items in the game to work. Individual setups with thieves and robin hoods would work amazingly, this not so much.
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
gunslinger/sharpshooter ive had mix feelings on since it's a defensive role where your defense may or may not come into play(bomb always will outside of unique situations for instance), catching a gun and being able to use it on the person who shot u is a nice feeling but it doesnt rly warrant being added imo
Sure they're conditional defensive roles but we have plenty of conditional 'gotcha' roles too like Hunter, Priest, etc, that only do anything when a very specific thing happens to them and I don't think that makes them bad roles.
spaceApr 19, 2020!
i keep keymaker in my setups because it's good for celeb or other roles with no night visits but since so many roles DO visit it's less likely the keys will be used by the recipient which essentially turns keymaker into a neighbor or chandler-esque role. it's useful plenty of times, but not always/in every game.
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Cyclist or Monkey...

why not both?
Both is the correct answer.
NimauApr 19, 2020
+1
Robin Hood is in the 8p and I have literally never once successfully moved an item with it. Also the system messages it gets are really weird and glitchy.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
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gotcha roles like hunter and priest actually work well in any variation of the setup however, sharpshooter/gunslinger only works in setups with guns much like how thief/robin hood only works in setups with items, they're a bit too conditional.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
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Also time for a confession I think Cupid is an awful role that makes the game less fun and is why I didn't include it in Blurst
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Mutineer is being shelved for this iteration of the setup
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Tempted to trade it in for creepy girl....
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
How do you guys feel about admirer? At worst it now becomes a killer, at best it's an indirect sidekick to the Killer role.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Also how about supervillain? I don't see it much, but it'd be interesting to include. Does superivllain know the name of the 3rd they want to target, or just what role they need to target?
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Old maid is added back with me displaying dismay.
NimauApr 19, 2020
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Alyssa
How do you guys feel about admirer? At worst it now becomes a killer, at best it's an indirect sidekick to the Killer role.
Admirer does not become a Killer if there is no Killer in the setup, it's just a dead role that can't win.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
2 years ago we asked Lucid to fix admirer so it becomes killer with no killer in the setup - Lucid said he came through on this. Is this bugged too?
nocashApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
How do you guys feel about admirer? At worst it now becomes a killer, at best it's an indirect sidekick to the Killer role.
Makes killer by far the most likely 3p role if you're ok with that.
nocashApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
2 years ago we asked Lucid to fix admirer so it becomes killer with no killer in the setup - Lucid said he came through on this. Is this bugged too?
Last time I was admirer without a killer I just converted to killer n1.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Yeah and in a pool of about 20 roles it goes from 5% to 10% where every other role stays at 5%... not sure on that.
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Also how about supervillain? I don't see it much, but it'd be interesting to include. Does superivllain know the name of the 3rd they want to target, or just what role they need to target?
They know the name. Their start of game message is like "Alyssa is your nemesis!"

I have mixed feelings about the role. It's fun to play as, it's really, painfully unfun to be a 3p with a supervillain on you. Unlike lyncher who people can identify as lyncher pretty quickly, if people identify your supervillain as a 'lyncher' you instead get killed because you're a confirmed 3p, unlike with lyncher which clears you of being maf by having a lyncher on you. Supervillain also really, really easily works against you from the very beginning of the game and makes it a remarkable pain. Supervillain also ends up in the same issue Sidekick does where you can be Supervillain on roles like Amn, Sidekick, Maid, etc, and you no longer have any gameplay to your role. Finally and maybe the best reason not to add it: it's just a free win in 90% of games even if you just AFK.