12p discourse290

Alyssa3mon 19d
+6
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
I see Charmer a lot like I see Tor, but Charmer would probably need to be tested before I add it. Just like when I made Blurst thinking Chandler was a usable role..
It's the single most OP Mafia role and no tears will be shed for it not being added.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+1
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1563471

Here's the new setup

yes I only live through simpson references
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+2
this was fun but I have lots of homework this is now the new normie setup have fun everypony
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+3
I rolled maid first game im deleting everything
theturningRAYApr 19, 2020
a fun thing mechanic can do is disarm anarch bombs not that this means it shoulda been added
StupidoApr 19, 2020
Delete virgin so people can stop trying to be funny by fakeclaiming virgin as baker every game
StupidoApr 19, 2020
Also delete ninja because it literally doesn't work
NimauApr 19, 2020
https://epicmafia.com/game/7433692/review

As previously stated by Nimau, the genius, Admirer does not turn into Killer when solo.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+1
"You really admire Nimau"
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Was it actually made for hostile 3rd killing roles woah
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Stupido
Delete virgin so people can stop trying to be funny by fakeclaiming virgin as baker every game
No

Stupido
Also delete ninja because it literally doesn't work
It doesn't?
joqizaApr 19, 2020
+1
If there are some common complaints with certain roles, why don't we use the custom role logic (where possible) to try to make slightly modified versions?

The custom role logic is really limited, but it can improve on some of the basic roles. For instance, you can make an enchantress that gives out a crystal ball each night, or a thief that attends mafia meetings.

I haven't used custom roles before so I'm not sure if there's some particular issue with them. I'm kind of playing around with a few custom roles rn.
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
"You really admire Nimau"
oh...thank u alyssa i was just trying to point out that the role doesnt work but...wow that means a lot 😳
SheffreyApr 19, 2020
+1
take warlock out i'd rather have 2 maids than any game with a warlock
joqizaApr 21, 2020!
+2
so i have been experimenting with a few custom roles the past few days, in hopes of finding better replacements for roles such as thief, fiddler, enchantress, etc. to fit into the typical 12p sandbox meta

here are the ones i've made so far

Violinist: https://epicmafia.com/role/56802 (a fiddler that attends mafia meetings)
Bandit: https://epicmafia.com/role/56804 (thief that attends mafia meetings)
Imperialist: https://epicmafia.com/role/56803 (silencer that attends mafia meetings)
Shaman: https://epicmafia.com/role/56800 (quack that attends mafia meetings)
Sorceress: https://epicmafia.com/role/56805 (enchantress that gives out a crystal each night)

thank you to everyone who has helped me test the roles, either consciously, or unwittingly when they join the 12p's i've been hosting lol

the roles still need some work i think but this is a start. i havent submitted any of them yet, so i can still modify them. once i submit the roles they cant be modified anymore but then other people could use them in their setups
joqizaApr 21, 2020
one funny thing to note is that the "silencing" action through the custom role logic works differently than the regular silencer. with silencer, you'll know you're silenced because you won't be able to submit lines. with imperialist, the custom silencer, you can see your lines alongside other people's lines, it's just that OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T SEE YOURS, and you MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW IT. in this way imperialist is actually an incredibly insidious role that has caused some absolute chaos in the games i've seen it pop up in.

i think that when you let the fiddler, silencer, & probably thief & quack attend the mafia meeting, they might actually be sort of OP. if that's true what we can do is change it so that their power is 1-shot. unfortunately i believe custom role logic doesn't allow for X-shot, so it's either 1x a game or every night.
joqizaApr 21, 2020
the other big glitch i've found so far (credit to space for noticing it) is that werewolf can't eat for custom roles. like ig the role icons don't pop up at all altho i havent fully tested it yet. i'm not sure if this will change after i submit the roles or not, but if it remains that way sadly i think it might be a dealbreaker.

also i'm sure there are other glitches related to custom roles that i haven't run into yet as well
joqizaApr 21, 2020
also i think if people are actually interested in pursuing this, we could of course come to a larger consensus on role names/icons/etc., i just slapped these roles together to try out
aGirlNeighborApr 22, 2020
Charmer can be an OP role, but in my opinion it really isn't. Charmer has a fault, because unlike witch, they can charm mafia, and even themselves.
IceBearApr 22, 2020
Mafia can be an OP role, but in my opinion it really isn't. Mafia has a fault, because unlike Villager, they can kill Mafia, and even themselves.