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Alyssa6mon 11d
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spaceApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
I've included telepath/whisperer in personal setups and haven't liked them... would like to hear thoughts for future considerations though
worthless. hate them.
they don't work in closed roles where agent/spy is infinitely more useful but they do work in certain creative setups like one MasterCthulhu recently made.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Okay good I like Tor too I just feel as a newer role I never hear ppl talking about it
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Another role I pushed was paparazzi but I understand why it's unpopular. Thoughts?
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Also, thoughts on Charmer? It can screw up just like Toreador can but I've heard much less about it.
spaceApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Okay good I like Tor too I just feel as a newer role I never hear ppl talking about it
it's one of those roles that functions well enough and is good enough mechanic wise (although i got my beat by a tore as WW a while back) but it's nothing to call home about

it's a good role but nothing 2 special. not bad at ALL tho.
filkoApr 19, 2020
+1
Paparazzi seems cool, but it's just kinda weak. no special powers while alive and the post-death reveal can be hit or miss
spaceApr 19, 2020
+1
Alyssa
Another role I pushed was paparazzi but I understand why it's unpopular. Thoughts?
i enjoy it. the only time pap sucks is if they're the last mafia but mafia should get to have an orc and pap is a good mafia orc.
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Another role I pushed was paparazzi but I understand why it's unpopular. Thoughts?
Paparazzi is fine, it's not super powerful but again not every maf role needs to be.

Alyssa
Also, thoughts on Charmer? It can screw up just like Toreador can but I've heard much less about it.
Can it still charm fellow maf? If so it's straight up busted and belongs in no setup ever.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Now that I'm at the end of the list, we come to snow queen and rainmaker which I find both to be great roles, however I feel rainmaker is too OP for sandbox setups since it can remain hidden until lylo
spaceApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Also, thoughts on Charmer? It can screw up just like Toreador can but I've heard much less about it.
it's an inverted witch, which is already a great role. i like it a lot.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
No idea on Charmer tbh
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Now that I'm at the end of the list, we come to snow queen and rainmaker which I find both to be great roles, however I feel rainmaker is too OP for sandbox setups since it can remain hidden until lylo
Okay but functionally how is this any different than prosecutor which can remain hidden until LYLO?
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+2
Ah that is a good point, for some reason I was thinking prosecutor had a weakness like whistleblower does. But pros and rainmaker both do not. My bad on that part, I'm down for adding both
spaceApr 19, 2020
+1
Alyssa
Now that I'm at the end of the list, we come to snow queen and rainmaker which I find both to be great roles, however I feel rainmaker is too OP for sandbox setups since it can remain hidden until lylo
i'd argue that's exactly why you should keep rainmaker. the odds of most players waiting until lylo to rainmaker aren't that great to begin with tbh. most rainmakers i see trigger n1 or n2 because they don't understand the role but because it can be more strategic than tm (tm is great on days with 2 reports or with a justice/carol/dream report which aren't always predictable whereas rainmaker is good on days after a mislynch confirms a mafia or on lylo which is more predictable), with time i think people will learn to use it well.

snow queen has the same issue. people use it the same as party which is why there isn't a lot of love for it, but it's actually good for strategically blocking investigative or killing non-maf roles on certain nights.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
Is plumber still busted? Does Gossiper still suck?
filkoApr 19, 2020
+1
Gossiper has potential. Charmer is disgustingly OP
spaceApr 19, 2020
i'm more open to rainmaker than snow queen but keeping both is fine bc blizzards aren't as annoying as d1 troublemaking
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
I see Charmer a lot like I see Tor, but Charmer would probably need to be tested before I add it. Just like when I made Blurst thinking Chandler was a usable role..
NimauApr 19, 2020
Alyssa
Is plumber still busted? Does Gossiper still suck?
I've experimented with both of these roles and currently still have Plumber in my setup but frankly the only thing both of them seem to do is leak circlejerking, not actual gameplay-related whispers.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+1
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1522855

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