12p discourse290

Alyssa6mon 14d
+6
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
old maid is not in blurst of times because i hold a grudge against it for ruining the fun but I understand it's a good troll role so I'm willing to bear with it if there's demand
IceBearApr 19, 2020
Remove mutineer.
quasimodoApr 19, 2020
tell the ceo of the internet to delete journalist and that other role thats kinda like journalist (just as lame)
IceBearApr 19, 2020
Is it possible to add revive the dead role?
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
cookingcat123
Remove mutineer.
no
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
quasimodo
tell the ceo of the internet to delete journalist and that other role thats kinda like journalist (just as lame)
Informant was already removed from the setup I promoted because frankly it *is* weak compared to 99% of the other mafia powers(especially when you could role stalker or actress), it's meant more for main setups. however journalist as a town role's power is pretty balanced imo. Though I've also excluded it from my own personal setups since I also find it meh.
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
cookingcat123
Is it possible to add revive the dead role?
It is possible, but GY roles wouldn't really be considered generally with how unpopular they are. I'd love to play personal setups with resurrectionist, but I'm unsure about how people would feel with a gy role present even if it *does* have an OP ability.

Graveyard/underworld also seems to annoy people because most people leave the game when they die which clogs it up with more system messages.
PsyApr 19, 2020
delete mimic sheffrey just stole my win
PsyApr 19, 2020
i'm shaking and crying like literally i'm in tears rn
AlyssaApr 19, 2020
+1
you just mimiced me. I was crier and you just mimiced me. Do you really think you can come from a place of hurt?
PsyApr 19, 2020
You still won didn't you : )
NimauApr 19, 2020
+2
drug-addled thoughts

REMOVE:

MUTINEER - (of the roles that actually work so not including usurper, chandler, etc) THIS IS THE WORST AND LEAST FUN ROLE ON THIS WHOLE SITE. Is literally anyone saying "oh boy I get to be Mafia this game except worse in every way!" when they play alongside Mut? Is anyone like "I'm so happy I get to literally play Killer except I'm also a diсkhead to the Mafia for literally no reason and also I can't joint?" It's SO BORING to play as and with and literally just seeing it as a possibility in a closed role setup makes me not want to play the entire setup. The difference between MM and Mut is that MM actually gives the Mafia a challenge to play against while also putting the Town on a shorter clock to find scum. Mut just inserts itself into the game to make the experience worse for everyone by adding a more annoying Killer for everyone. I'm sorry Alyssa because IIRC you made this role but it is seriously awful and needs to be reworked or not played ever. Lobby ban this crap from being played in any setup. Damn do I hate this role so much.

chandler - obviously doesn't work

troublemaker - this is like a role that is made for ranked/comp, there is a lot of strategy to using troublemaker but sandbox's combined brainpower could not keep an analog watch ticking everyone just uses it n1 and it's really boring and uninteresting to play with
NimauApr 19, 2020
+1
KEEP:

invis - this is a great role and is really fun when it does work and i think it is important to have roles that are easy fakeclaims for maf, otherwise everyone just hardclaims and being scum is boring

neighbour - good role, autoclear but not really OP, who doesn't like this?

warlock - good role, it's lyncher for a day then fool for the next. lyncher and fool wins aren't very fun but warlock wins are.

monk - good role and fun when it actually works. often doesn't work but it seems less glitchy than it used to be at least. it's nice having 3p roles that are high priority for maf kills
NimauApr 19, 2020
+1
HOLD NO REAL VALUE BUT IM NOT ACTIVELY ADVOCATING FOR THEIR REMOVAL:

judge/prosecutor - prosecutor is fun, judge isn't very fun, but i think if 1 is in the setup they should both be so they kind of live or die together.

baker - suiing or claiming virgin as baker has literally never been funny, y'all who do this are literally worse than people who pick every card in CAH that says "black" or "сoсk" bc it's so fuсking funny xddddddd

maid - you can pull off a lot of great moves with maid. maiding PRs the night you know they are going to die, maiding back into the Mafia as they are about to win, maiding the other 3p so you can go lone wolf....it's fun in those situations. But do you know what isn't fun? When you're Mafia and get maided and then you maid into the town and you get to either be a huge сunt and out your former partners or you are left unable to play the game objectively. The weird thing about maid is like, it should probably make Mafia meetings anonymous like MM and the much worse, anti-fun versions of MM. So honestly take it or leave it.
deletedApr 19, 2020
+1
warlock suck
old maid suck
13p is the future
viva la revolucion!
IceBearApr 19, 2020
Please add autocrat.
NimauApr 19, 2020!
+1
honourable mentions (ie underrated roles that I don't think enough people put in setups):

commuter - this is an actual fun role to play with/around that most people don't know exist. it is more fun than BP/bleeder and if people didn't just freak out every time they rolled blue I think it would be a generally liked role a la King

rainmaker - this is a fantastic and fun role and i don't understand why no one plays it? seriously oozes flavour and strategy without being frustrating to play against

snow queen - it's maf party host and also oozes flavour, weird amount of disdain for this role that I don't understand
NimauApr 19, 2020
-1
i know it's biased because it's my setup and is mostly roles that I enjoy playing with (plus a few begrudgingly kept fan favourites like Baker) but I'm very happy with my setup and have kept it as free from game-ruining roles as possible:

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1537381

The only real negative feedback I have gotten are from having 4 cops, Pathologist, and Enchantress but I believe cops and patho provide actual fun gameplay and enchantress has a lot of flavour and is no less useful than many other town roles.

Every single other user that ever posts their setup as "better than blurst/mods/etc" has Mut in it and everything they say from that point on is immediately invalidated.
NimauApr 19, 2020
cookingcat123
Please add autocrat.
Autocrat is not terrible but when it is in sandbox setups frankly it wins a disproportionate amount of the time. I don't believe that people tryhard enough in Sandbox for autocrap to be a healthy role in 12p closed.
joqizaApr 19, 2020
+1
i'm reading nimau's posts and laughing lol she absolutely bodied mutineer. i agree with everything she said except i don't like warlock (always feels so disconnected from the game), and i like troublemaker a lot (but that's cuz I don't use it n1).

agreed on her honorable mentions too esp. rainmaker. rainmaker is used in comp setups in main lobby i think it's valid and fun for sandbox