I feel strongly about this so I'm making a thread.
GovernorSarahPalin was given a Harassment (2nd) violation for telling me to "drink poison" "or die", not for telling SteelixMega to kill themselves. If she didn't say that to SteelixMega, I wouldn't have even filed the report. I just used what she said to me as evidence to show that GovernorSarahPalin was saying some really awful things to people.
Zero tolerance means zero tolerance, why the hell should it matter if the person the comments are directed at reported it or not? That's not zero tolerance!!! Whenever any moderator sees it the appropriate action should be taken regardless of who it was directed at.
IMO, use context and determine if someone is being hateful with it and give the violation with moderator discretion.
This is what I believe should be changed about the rule.
However, I respect the rule since it is there and I will follow it and everyone should follow it.
When the rule wasn't so strict, I never reported anyone for the kind of language they used. I started reporting only after the rule was applied on me.
I am a believer of zero moderation on language inside the game. But if the rule is there, I will follow it. I will try and convince people to change the rule. Until then I shall follow it.
Secondly, as per rule, the language should be hateful for it to be a violation of the rules. Therefore, if it is a dialogue between friends who don't mind each other, we have no business moderating it.
slurs are hurtful
a gay person sitting there and listening to straight people call each other the f-slur? hurtful. someone that's intellectually and/or developmentally disabled sitting there and listening to people call each other the r word? hurtful.
words have power no matter who it's directed at.
if you want to use slurs in your personal, private conversations, literally no one can stop you. it's different when you're in an environment with other people. epicmafia dot com games are not personal/private messages and the things you say can hurt people even if it's not aimed at them.
1- slurs are hurtful to whom?
2- if someone mentions existence of a slur, does it automatically become hurtful to people it is not directed to?
3- we are supposed to empower people. Not weaken them. How do you empower people? By not acknowledging them? Intellectual and developmental status is a spectrum. Literally everyone falls somewhere on that spectrum. Treat people with respect by playing to the best of your abilities. The game of epic mafia has an aspect which we often ignore. The emotional aspect. Sometimes you have to beat people on an emotional level. If you are strong, you will win. If you treat people as handicapped then you are disrespectful to them.
One- Not being intentionally hurtful to people as per the current rules. I argue that if I am saying a word that is not directed to hurt anyone, then anyone claiming to be offended should shove it up their rear.
Two- Since above rule is there, I will respect it and follow it. My second argument is to discuss whether this rule can be removed. For that I have given some arguments. I may be wrong. But those are my thoughts. If people decide against it, then fine. I argue that inside the game, we should not moderate how people treat each other. Because we are playing make believe in the game. Hurting people to win is a strategy. Also, you do not know what might hurt someone. Sometimes people may be using absolutely fine words which are allowed, but someone might still be hurt. Just by not being acknowledged. This is another reason I argue that hurting people should not be moderated.
On the other hand, harassment has to be moderated. This is when people harass people regardless of the game. They take it outside the game. Sometimes they harass inside the game without any game related motive. This can be easily moderated and should be moderated.
Acknowledging the existence of a slur and purposefully using it are two different things. Context matters.
You can acknowledge and empower people without using slurs that have been historically used to separate and dehumanize groups of people
You agree with me that context matters.
My third point is entirely different. Here I am saying that I believe we should allow people to hurt others emotionally in a game. Just my view. Since it is against the rules, I shall follow the rule unless it is changed.
Either ways, even though I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, there was no point in EM's history where moderators/admins decided that slurs should be treated with absolutely no tolerance on the website. The speech filter and the strict rules on slurs were both implemented by the site owner himself, because the existence of slurs on the website hurt the adsense revenue. Which (if I am correct, but I believe I am) makes the whole argument somewhat obsolete.
And to clarify, I am not denying nor confirming if and how slurs are hurtful to anyone, i'm in no position to know any of it for a fact, merely stating what I believe to be facts, relevant to the topic.
slurs are hurtful to the marginalized groups that they’ve been historically used against
they don’t need to be used in a hateful context to hurt
using them at all is minimizing the fact that those words are used in a hateful context every single day
if straight people are calling each other the f slur because one of them does something “weak” or “feminine”, they’re 1) associating that word with qualities they perceive as negative and 2) normalizing using that word in everyday conversation. same goes for the r word. it’s harmful even if it’s not as obviously harmful as being blatantly hateful.
just because you wouldn’t walk up to someone with down syndrome and call them the r word doesn’t mean you’re any better by using it in a joking context. the word still keeps its meaning.
in addition, mafia is a game. it’s not psychological warfare and no one needs to “hurt” each other for strategy. there’s a difference between appealing to emotion and attempting to hurt someone to win a game, and i would argue anyone that thinks it’s okay to do the latter has an unhealthy relationship with mafia and would be better off without it and probably in therapy tbh
i’m half asleep so sorry if that sounds scattered