is giving birth moral77
Honestly it's not. I know antinatalism isn't a popular moral philosophy, but it's the only one that makes any sense.
The root of all morality is suffering. In a universe where suffering was impossible, morality wouldn't exist. Nothing is capable of suffering in our universe except for life. The basis of all life is destruction; for life to continue, it must destroy other life for sustenance in some way.
People are the first to say that suffering is a part of life - I agree with that! However, I'm for some reason the only to admit that's a BAD thing. When you create a life, whether you're a deer dooming a fawn to an existence of fear and pain, or a human dooming a child to an existence of existential dread and all the other evils in our society, you're creating suffering where there was none before.
A deer has the excuse of doing that because of its inescapable nature and instinct. It doesn't excuse the deer from doing something morally wrong, but animals obviously don't have the logical process to even grasp morality anyway. A human parent, however, dooms their child to 100 years of pointless existence for no reason other than vain ones of passing down their name, or having something they can raise. Both are selfish reasons.
When you're born, it's all damage control from there on out. We must strive to lessen the suffering as much as we can, to make sure all individuals have their human rights respected by the society, and to preserve everyone's body autonomy. You're obligated to do nothing at all from being born - it's a curse and the society should be expected to be as moral and decent as possible in all other ways. However, no society is a utopia, which would be the only one where life would be morally permissible.
To conclude, life in general is evil. The great "circle of life" is probably the most sick and disgusting institution imaginable, yet it's idolized for some reason. A wolf devours a rabbit alive, causing unimaginable physical pain for the small animal that never even asked to exist. And that's ONE meal for a SINGLE wolf. This kind of horror goes on every day, and has been for millennia. It makes me sick to think about, and it's the worst when people defend our cruel biology, society, and humanity.
Your thoughts below
"people would be better off without people"
you have to presuppose the value of people, which defeats the argument. it's self-contradictory.
Create a meaning in life.
please never bring up this query again, thanks!
vitality justifies itself
And since a question of life's purpose and morality being a cultural phenomenon or being based on pleasure and pain, you may want to also read the Meaning of life article as well as the one on Metaethics: