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Competitive is broken

Johneh
almost 5 years

There is absolutely nothing competitive about seeing Frontier Justice, CBA and this setup is bad being played on repeat every 3 rounds.

If you truly want to test the 'best' players on EM and reward them, they shouldn't be presented with the same setups every time. Competitive setups should break meta, force people to think differently and apply new strategies.

The setups mentioned above are great, but users are too accustomed to seeing a sheriff/cop combo and know what strategies to enforce because of this.

I propose we make a few changes:

Increase the number of rounds that a setup can't be played for from 3 to something between 7-10. This will force popular setups to be less frequent.

Remove the 200 play minimum when choosing new setups. It's very simple to recognize when a setup won't be playable or balanced for competitions. There are some fantastic setups not being played due to not having the chance to be featured, so this loop of 'popular' setups will never break unless we inject more options.

As someone who has actively played EM for 9 years now, it frustrates me that we only see the same setups week after week. I have seen many great, competition worthy setups over the years that aren't being given a chance due to the current system.

I have no idea how the petition feature works, but hopefully if you agree with the above you can sign it! :)

P.S. I actually proposed the other trophy winners don't choose any setups at all but it was a bit too late. I chose a fantastic setup from 2009 that was hugely popular back in the day and Moar Gun for VanityPrime because he's of the same mindset as me. The latter setup requires a new way of thinking and was created with this in mind.

thecolonel
almost 5 years
I played a red heart game yesterday and frankly it was the worst experience of my life
thecolonel
almost 5 years
Demod cheaters problem solved
Johneh
almost 5 years
me when there's multiple threads on this issue but no one's doing anything about it
deletedalmost 5 years
agreed
Johneh
almost 5 years

Transcend says


Transcend says

no u smell


and stink


fiesta salsa
Transcend
almost 5 years

Transcend says

no u smell


and stink
Transcend
almost 5 years
no u smell
Johneh
almost 5 years
Can someone pay attention to this pls and ty.
Johneh
almost 5 years

Citadel says

Easy fix, remove the role sheriff and all setups with it and voila - people will be forced to think for themselves!


The setups are still good and fun to play, just not every 3 rounds.
Citadel
almost 5 years
Easy fix, remove the role sheriff and all setups with it and voila - people will be forced to think for themselves!
firecape
almost 5 years
yeh the 200 play minimum should be removed
Johneh
almost 5 years

scumhuntmachine says

tl;dr

just make comp anonymous and meta will be gone. i think we all understand why that hasnt been done yet (and i dont think will ever be)


this is one of those things that sounds great on paper but broken in practice
scumhuntmachine
almost 5 years
tl;dr

just make comp anonymous and meta will be gone. i think we all understand why that hasnt been done yet (and i dont think will ever be)
Johneh
almost 5 years

matt says

28 signs within half a day

I think that speaks volumes


tea
BeepBeepLettuce
almost 5 years
okay for some reason when i saw the thread title and the last user to speak on it (altego), for some reason my brain thought: Alternative rock, and i got no idea why
AltEgo
almost 5 years
hard "dabs" agree on this
syd
almost 5 years
im only competent at 2 setups dont change the rules or i will cry
matt
almost 5 years
28 signs within half a day

I think that speaks volumes
denial
almost 5 years
this voltron is bad and should not be played
lilin
almost 5 years
voltron is my fav setup
Giga13
almost 5 years

VanityPrime says

There are in total 45 setups that are able to be comped rn.

with 5 setups being comped per round, and a maximum distance of 10 rounds between each comp.

With 146,611,080 possible permutations,

Should approximate a result with 97.75% confidence of true variety.


Only 45? That's really bad
PatrykSzczescie
almost 5 years
Once there was a rule of 1 setup per 5 rounds but trophy winners weren't able to find any new compable setups and mods frequently deleted repeating setups the trophy winners comped. I seemed to be the only one who pointed out repeating setups, mods like charley got tired of me and reverted back to 1 setup per 3 rounds.
Johneh
almost 5 years

Moldyches says

7-10 new setups wont do anything. I say we extend the amount a time a setup should be put on cooldown. Instead of 3 rounds make it 5.


isn't this what I said?
VanityPrime
almost 5 years
There are in total 45 setups that are able to be comped rn.

with 5 setups being comped per round, and a maximum distance of 10 rounds between each comp.

With 146,611,080 possible permutations,

Should approximate a result with 97.75% confidence of true variety.
MisterPresident
almost 5 years

HanaGusikowski47 says

What about a solution where you can only play a unique setup 3 times a day?


I don't think there are enough users online at each point in the day to limit what they can play and still fill games