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guise test emotes is cheating

about 5 years

this should not be allowed, or there should be a way to find out the

:: command for the emojis. its truly not fair n it's being done in the disguiser comp setups

is it cheating
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yes, it is cheating
3
no, but it should be cheating.
about 5 years

Linke says

Feel like it’s ironic that immediately after this comment I lost a comp game because town used OGI.


proud of you, fight the good fight
about 5 years

muki says

This is interesting. The reason that guisetesting isn't OGI is because you can lie about it. i.e. I ask Songin what his favorite color is, he says blue, and I yell that he's lying and it's actually green. You don't know which of us is telling the truth.


This is kind of a weak argument. The same can be said that pretending to cheat is not OGI. You can explain your way of scumhunting with alleged rolesharing and no one knows if you're lying or not.

Also, if you play with 7 people who know what Songin's favorite color is and know that the potential guiser from graveyard list doesn't know, guess how it works.
about 5 years
guise testing should only be allowed if people have given guise codes in that game
about 5 years
Feel like it’s ironic that immediately after this comment I lost a comp game because town used OGI.
about 5 years
Well yes I will be instantly lynhed for guise tests maybe at first.

100% all comp games should be anon, but then mods wouldn’t be able to circlejerk properly so that’ll never happen, will it.

The only thing I can do is ignore guise tests and make town lose when they lynch me for it, and I do so with pride!
about 5 years
Guise testing at all is always OGI.

Guise testing at all is always OGI.

Guise testing at all is always OGI.

Guise testing at all is always OGI.

Guise testing at all is always OGI.

Guise testing at all is always OGI.

PRECISELY
about 5 years

Linxe says

Guise testing at all is always OGI.
Not responding to guise tests is the way I protest against the bureaucracy.


yeah and then you're instantly lynched. force all ranked guiser setups to use an anon deck, that will make every game its own enclosed fair system.
about 5 years

PennyPinch says

What about say you know the players real name, and you guise test them by asking their first name.

The guised says that asking about their name violates "Outing of Personal Information" rule.

Will that be "Outside of Game Influence" because they use the game rules to avoid the guise test?

However if the guised did not attempt to block your guisetest with "Outing of Personal Information" would that be "Game Throwing" for not playing their win condition?


The thing is, you can easily bluff if people ask about personal information. Either by claiming the person asking wouldn't know that information, saying you don't want to out that information, Or saying something and claiming the person guise testing you is guised since they didn't know the "right" answer.

Of course, the best method us saying you don't want to out personal information in game, as like you said, the person pushing for the test could be slapped with an OPI vio if it ends up being that they weren't guised. So long as you don't explicitly say you're going to report them for OPI, I don't think it would constitute an OGI vio.

So things like:

"I don't want to out that information"
Or
"Please stop asking me about that, I don't want to out it"
Or
"I'm not outing that in game"

Should all be okay.
deletedabout 5 years
Guise testing at all is always OGI.
Not responding to guise tests is the way I protest against the bureaucracy.
about 5 years
What about say you know the players real name, and you guise test them by asking their first name.

The guised says that asking about their name violates "Outing of Personal Information" rule.

Will that be "Outside of Game Influence" because they use the game rules to avoid the guise test?

However if the guised did not attempt to block your guisetest with "Outing of Personal Information" would that be "Game Throwing" for not playing their win condition?
about 5 years
On topic, the only instance I can think of that k believe should be 100% be OGI is if you ask them to emote guise-test by referring to a custom emote they posted pregame. If you ask them to do a specific emote that YOU may know of, the person guising could argue that they 'got rid of' that one, Or that the mentioned emote doesn't exist, and that you're just pretending to guise test as mafia.

Now, we run into the issue of people who use a custom emote, at say daystart, and then later one someone attempts a guisetest by asking them to repeat it. This is an instance that I'm on the line about. On one hand, it is nearly impossible for you to obtain that information without using outside of games means (e.g. console commands), and even then, doing so just gives an advantage to someone who knows how a bit about JavaScript or html, which shouldn't be relevant to the game. However, without that method you're basically down to a guessing game with odds that are ridiculously NOT in your favor.

For that reason I think that trying to guise test someone by asking then to repeat an emote that was posted previously at any point in the game, should be OGI. So long as the emote hasn't been, it should fall under meta guise testing, aka a no vio.
about 5 years
if you think guise testing is ogi you're a baby player and you should shh
about 5 years

muki says

This is interesting. The reason that guisetesting isn't OGI is because you can lie about it. i.e. I ask Songin what his favorite color is, he says blue, and I yell that he's lying and it's actually green. You don't know which of us is telling the truth.

I feel like this is a good point about emotes. For example, ex-user brandon had many emotes that were well known. It became impossible to guise him if you don't know the : : for those

Personally not sure whether this should be allowed or not, but I'm glad someone brought it up and this discussion is happening.


Purple tho.
about 5 years

muki says

This is interesting. The reason that guisetesting isn't OGI is because you can lie about it. i.e. I ask Songin what his favorite color is, he says blue, and I yell that he's lying and it's actually green. You don't know which of us is telling the truth.

I feel like this is a good point about emotes. For example, ex-user brandon had many emotes that were well known. It became impossible to guise him if you don't know the : : for those

Personally not sure whether this should be allowed or not, but I'm glad someone brought it up and this discussion is happening.


classic burocratic nothingspeak
about 5 years
This is interesting. The reason that guisetesting isn't OGI is because you can lie about it. i.e. I ask Songin what his favorite color is, he says blue, and I yell that he's lying and it's actually green. You don't know which of us is telling the truth.

I feel like this is a good point about emotes. For example, ex-user brandon had many emotes that were well known. It became impossible to guise him if you don't know the : : for those

Personally not sure whether this should be allowed or not, but I'm glad someone brought it up and this discussion is happening.
about 5 years

Mucs1337 says

Make comp anon. That way people can't hammer me just because they don't like my guts.


try being likable
about 5 years
Make comp anon. That way people can't hammer me just because they don't like my guts.
about 5 years
agreed
about 5 years
No, I'm saying that the part of the rule you're saying refers to meta gaming only refers to a SPECIFIC TYPE of meta gaming.

ediT: In most cases, excessive meta falls under cheating.
about 5 years
yeah that's part of the rule as well
about 5 years

Milton1234 says

here is the definition of OGI: "Using tools or processes outside of a game in a game including, but not limited to: posting on profiles, lobbies, or the forums revealing game-related information, clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not, reporting a player in a game in progress, using third party functions or sites to make in-game decisions, bribes or threats (such as karma, kudos, breaking a rule and reporting), and pregame pact. Pretending to cheat as a reaction test also falls under OGI."

there is a part that says "clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not". so yes it is meta gaming to use OGI but it is an unenforced rule.


That part of the rule refers to situations where a user has things on their profile such as:

"I always tell the truth about what my role is"
or
"If I don't start every day by saying "Hello" I am guised."

Which is different than what you're thinking of
about 5 years
here is the definition of OGI: "Using tools or processes outside of a game in a game including, but not limited to: posting on profiles, lobbies, or the forums revealing game-related information, clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not, reporting a player in a game in progress, using third party functions or sites to make in-game decisions, bribes or threats (such as karma, kudos, breaking a rule and reporting), and pregame pact. Pretending to cheat as a reaction test also falls under OGI."

there is a part that says "clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not". so yes it is meta gaming to use OGI but it is an unenforced rule.
about 5 years
Am I the only one who takes guiser setups seriously? ... ranked or unranked? lmao .....
about 5 years

Milton1234 says

well guise testing has always been meta gaming, which is technically ogi, but it has never been a rule.


If we are going to go there then meta-reading people should also fall under OGI.

Heck just mandate all ranked games to be anon games. Anon games disables custom emotes too.
about 5 years
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