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racial slurs (hey lucid)

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to provide some background on this, i've been gone for a couple months so i'm not sure what changes were put in place in my absence and why, but one rule that struck me as having been newly implemented is the racial slurs one. let's look at this for a minute.

"Use of slurs that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals."

so, the rule itself shows there'll be zero tolerance towards racist ideals. that's nice and i fw that, but... the rule itself is totally tone deaf towards people who actually come from these communities and use those words commonly in their every day vernacular in that it doesn't actually leave room for context or origin. as far as i understand it, nobody on the mod team is black, nor is lucid, yet these are the people who are in charge of doling out violations to people who actually ARE black and are using words that have a nuanced history of reclamation behind them. simply put: if i call someone a dumbass ni­gga in a game (presumably a white someone), am i racially attacking them? no. i'm calling them a dumbass ni­gga because they are one and they probably did something in-game to deserve it.

the rule is a joke
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over 5 years

SteelixMega says


SteelixMega says

And besides, I don't see anybody actually getting offended by stuff. Whenever I see someone report for HC, it is because they believe that "it is offensive to this set of people" without ever saying that it is offensive to them.

The only time it ever actually offends someone is when it is nasty, repeated personal statements, and there is a word for that: Harassment.


hey guys, let's wait until statements actually offend people instead of just reporting because it is "offensive to people".

over 5 years

DreamsX says

to be honest i think the safest thing to do *is* in fact to ban racial slurs outright, just because of the potential for misconceptions that end up causing lots of pain and wasted time, but safest thing =/= the most sensible thing
tbh i lean towards current zero tolerance policy but i have no strong opinion as long is no one is using a slur as a slur
so basically im stating the somewhat obvious
kthxbye


Zero tolerance policies don't work though. Take for example: this site.

User D_y_k_e had her username changed without her consent to dzke, by the admin and was never given an explanation (or even the offer of "hey, I have to change your username to fit with our new zero tolerance policy, what would you like it changed to?") for it. Absolutely no one really had a problem with her username, and her username was even a slur that you can argue has been reclaimed by the lesbian community. But... you can't argue anything, because zero tolerance offers no room for any such argument or grey area.

Ironically, d_y_k_e isn't actually censored by this "slur filter," despite it supposedly being so objectionable that this user would have her username changed behind her back without warning.
over 5 years

UniversalStudios says

What sense does it make to label people racist that aren't racist?


idk man, i think people who use the N-word but aren't black are in fact, pretty racist
over 5 years
to be honest i think the safest thing to do *is* in fact to ban racial slurs outright, just because of the potential for misconceptions that end up causing lots of pain and wasted time, but safest thing =/= the most sensible thing
tbh i lean towards current zero tolerance policy but i have no strong opinion as long is no one is using a slur as a slur
so basically im stating the somewhat obvious
kthxbye
over 5 years

SteelixMega says

And besides, I don't see anybody actually getting offended by stuff. Whenever I see someone report for HC, it is because they believe that "it is offensive to this set of people" without ever saying that it is offensive to them.

The only time it ever actually offends someone is when it is nasty, repeated personal statements, and there is a word for that: Harassment.


hey guys, let's wait until statements actually offend people instead of just reporting because it is "offensive to people".
over 5 years
‘im not racist for making racist comments’ kramer?
over 5 years

blacksnakemoan says


UniversalStudios says


Hibiki says

hot take: as a business model, no tolerance on slurs makes sense


Not on a social site, especially not as a kneejerk reaction to one idiot user trying to equivocate something mildly offensive to a slur.


Reddit bans slurs on plenty of its subs.


And we banned people for hateful comments. What sense does it make to label people racist that aren't racist?
over 5 years

Soluciones says

why does it look so horrible here tho lol


the spacing is always weird.
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why does it look so horrible here tho lol
over 5 years
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over 5 years

Soluciones says

can you do one with soluciones


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can you do one with soluciones
over 5 years
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over 5 years

UniversalStudios says


Hibiki says

hot take: as a business model, no tolerance on slurs makes sense


Not on a social site, especially not as a kneejerk reaction to one idiot user trying to equivocate something mildly offensive to a slur.


Reddit bans slurs on plenty of its subs.
over 5 years
reminder that me and empire solved this forever ago, reinstate our fix
over 5 years

UniversalStudios says

lilin if you're going to be obstinate and stupid, the least you can do is be entertaining.


why are you talking like a movie villain
over 5 years
hey guys did you know that allowing mean words =/= promoting them?
over 5 years

Hibiki says

hot take: as a business model, no tolerance on slurs makes sense


Not on a social site, especially not as a kneejerk reaction to one idiot user trying to equivocate something mildly offensive to a slur.
over 5 years
lilin if you're going to be obstinate and stupid, the least you can do is be entertaining.
over 5 years
or instead of making poc police the internet he could just ban the language from his site entirely like a normal website would
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over 5 years
hey essa, I love u
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i personally don't have time but it's not like there's a shortage of actual poc who could opine on the subject.
over 5 years

spiritualized says


blacksnakemoan says

asking a bunch of 20 year olds to moderate racist language is stupid which is why zero tolerance is in place


it’s almost as though there are people on the site other than the mods who could be consulted about this stuff on a case by case basis. not sure tho. just a gut feeling.


am i wrong or are you suggesting that mods come to you everytime someone says a racial slur and you become the arbiter of blackness?
over 5 years

MisterPresident says

If I thought that I would make headway in convincing you that there exists a world different than your own and that your views discount generations of struggling, then I would expend the effort.

However, given how you're quite controversial, stubborn, and lack empathy (no matter how much you claim that you treat everyone equally), I do not believe it to be possible.

Please just open your ears to the various worldviews and conflicts that provide evidence for the minority suffering that is so prevalent.

I promise you might learn to be compassionate rather than judgmental and completely wrong.


yeah there is a world where there are people that don't see me as a bad person for what I may have done nearly a year ago.

there is a world where I make valid points outside of trolling and lying, but you aren't seeing it because you are blinded with the major impact that lying had on you