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moderator incompetence

NeverMaf
over 5 years

comment by LesbianPirate https://epicmafia.com/report/259633 this was absolutely not enough time to gather reads to get a clear shot. next time, you need to scumhunt better and ask questions to players around you, instead of just blatantly hipfiring lurking players.

comment by SausageDog https://epicmafia.com/report/259173 No violation. You were lurking and that was reason enough to fos you

In one report moderator claims lurking is enough of a reason to shoot, in another report moderator says lurking is not enough of a reason to shoot.

YHWH
over 5 years
LesbianPirate is not a great mod but I think she's a high schooler so it makes sense
SteelixMega
over 5 years

Songin says

Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM


second should not have been a vio, it became unranked, and it was really clear that you were there before game like 5 seconds before you started isping.
NeverMaf
over 5 years

Songin says


SausageDog says


Songin says

Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM


Again this based on your own speculation Songin. Had the sheriff wanted to humor JM he would have instant shot Nevermaf instead of taking time to deliberate it. The fact that he took time before deciding the shot means he was establishing reads


However Awnyy did the same thing that NeverMaf did (Vote and tab) and he chose not to shoot her at all. And WildB had one line only seconds before the shot. If NeverMaf was the only person not speaking at all I could understand you're reasoning, but in this case there were 2 other people who weren't speaking, which coupled on top of the previously mentioned bit with JM, seems indicative enough that it was a YOLO shot.

Although I can see some remorse and attempt to pick up the pieces following the shot, so I can see why it'd be a hard call here. Honestly after a look through again I'd argue for a note instead.


if the actions done after the shot softens the verdict then why did i get violation when i carried my team to a victory after i misfired a blue?
Songin
over 5 years

SausageDog says


Songin says

Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM


Again this based on your own speculation Songin. Had the sheriff wanted to humor JM he would have instant shot Nevermaf instead of taking time to deliberate it. The fact that he took time before deciding the shot means he was establishing reads


However Awnyy did the same thing that NeverMaf did (Vote and tab) and he chose not to shoot her at all. And WildB had one line only seconds before the shot. If NeverMaf was the only person not speaking at all I could understand you're reasoning, but in this case there were 2 other people who weren't speaking, which coupled on top of the previously mentioned bit with JM, seems indicative enough that it was a YOLO shot.

Although I can see some remorse and attempt to pick up the pieces following the shot, so I can see why it'd be a hard call here. Honestly after a look through again I'd argue for a note instead.
NeverMaf
over 5 years

SausageDog says


Songin says

Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM


Again this based on your own speculation Songin. Had the sheriff wanted to humor JM he would have instant shot Nevermaf instead of taking time to deliberate it. The fact that he took time before deciding the shot means he was establishing reads


he never said he fossed me, he never said i was lurking and he never defended his reasoning in the report. so everything you said you made up using your assumptions.

you (as in moderators) let off the hook a random gamethrower alt, who had no intention of trying to win the game, while gave me a violation for trolling when i shot my fos and carried the game to a win.
SausageDog
over 5 years

Songin says

Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM


Again this based on your own speculation Songin. Had the sheriff wanted to humor JM he would have instant shot Nevermaf instead of taking time to deliberate it. The fact that he took time before deciding the shot means he was establishing reads
SausageDog
over 5 years

NeverMaf says

i thought exactly the same when i reported it. but then moderator mentioned shooting lurkers is perfectly fine. under this assumption i shot my scumread in the game i was reported. much to my surprise i was violated for the same thing some other dude was no-violated


Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said it was fine to shoot lurkers. I said that you lurking was enough to establish a read as there were several people in the game that were fossing you and you were showing little to no reaction.

As for the game you were reported on, you were obviously trolling by shooting the last person to vote. Stop twisting the words of the mods to make it seem like you are the innocent party here when you obviously commited a vio
NeverMaf
over 5 years

Songin says

Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM


i thought exactly the same when i reported it. but then moderator mentioned shooting lurkers is perfectly fine. under this assumption i shot my scumread in the game i was reported. much to my surprise i was violated for the same thing some other dude was no-violated
Songin
over 5 years
Second report should had been a vio. They made no attempt to get you to speak whatsoever nor did the sheriff make any acknowledgement that they were planning on shooting day 1. The interaction between the sherif and JM is indicative enough that he cared little about winning and only wanted to humor JM
NeverMaf
over 5 years

LioneI says

NeverMaf, lesbian pirate said it was about time, whereas sausagedog said it was about status of being there or not


SausageDog said my absence was enough to shoot me. The sheriff didnt even say he fos me for anything. SausageDog made that up to rule it as no violation. The sheriff just picked randomly. I can not reread the game but i think sheriff did not mention anything about fos on me before he shot me.he also did not say that in report.

I do not see a difference in both of these games, in both of them ppl were shot for not being there.

In the report i explained that i shot the person because i fossed him for lurking, yet the moderator still said lurking is not enough of a reason to shoot, while in previous report SausageDog said the opposite. My actions throughout the game also prove that i was focusing on game and lynching using reads and fosses, because i carried the game to a victory.
LioneI
over 5 years
NeverMaf, lesbian pirate said it was about time, whereas sausagedog said it was about status of being there or not
NeverMaf
over 5 years
So if somebody asks sheriff to hipfire, its fine to do it. "By Dzanek"
PatrykSzczescie
over 5 years
Actually, nvm about lurking. LesbianPirate said about blatantly hipfiring lurking people, the sheriff that shot you wasn't blatantly hipfiring, just following someone's fos.
PatrykSzczescie
over 5 years
It looks like you shot the last to vote as soon as everybody else voted.

In the game you were shot, the sheriff was swayed by the mafia, who was asked to shoot you.

Lurking is a relative meaning though, it might depend on how much AFK the questioned player was.
deletedover 5 years
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