I mean this is wild because it would be the first role that gives an item but doesn't visit. My original idea would be that giving a key to a dreamer would wake the dreamer up, but tonight would be a guaranteed dream though, and safe night unless there's a ninja.

dzanek1143 says

Keying not being count as visit would be a wild idea but it would make the keymaker more useful, more warrants there.

yea why should using a key count as a visit? it doesn't make any sense

Keying not being count as visit would be a wild idea but it would make the keymaker more useful, more warrants there.

Hmmmm... it would be a cool idea, but locked dreamer should guarantee a dream. And thief shouldn't wake up a dreamer.

ohh, should i get rid of key as a visit count?

Lucid changed Silencer so that you can still speak, but other players just don't see it.

using a key counts as a self-visit iirc

not sure about the silencer thing