what about women who are strong and have the capacity to build upon that strength

this sex divide is stupid, just set universal requirements and accept whoever meets them. i don't see how that's so complicated to understand

I'm not sure why people seem to think the weak man vs strong woman comparison is applicable. The only men getting into the army are those who are already strong, and have the capacity to build upon that strength.

I think if we can't get enough humans to sign up for the armed forces voluntarily, maybe we shouldn't be doing the thing we need the forces for

less women = less children = less crying in public places

sounds great

this is such a weird discussion

The draft takes everyone in shape out of shape doesn't matter, the draft is just for bullet sponges. The men on the first ship on D Day? Bullet sponges. They were sent in to soak up machine gun ammo. Same thing happened until the 4th or 5th wave of ships.

The draft isn't about fitness or strength or ability. It's about numbers.

a spaghetti body male over a reasonably strong woman is obviously not the best comparison, however, i don't really think the spaghetti body male will be good in the first place and if we compare it like that, obviously the woman is better. i dont see why girls shouldnt be allowed. personally i'm weak and short so i'd probably suck and collapse, but others aren't, so yeah gr8

sigh says

because males are useless without females

and females are useless without men, because we are talking about humans where both sexes have to participate in the intercourse in order for an offspring to be conceived. Also please keep this discussion related to humans (and especially not plants), because there are a plethora of animals that do not fit the 'males protects females' model, such as the orangutan. As well as the fact that I believe that since we as humans have evolved enough to allow females not to perform their only duty nature or 'biology' created them for - birthing children - men should be given the same right.

sigh says

(because males can impregnate more than 1 female at a time, whereas females can only be pregnant once at any given time).

Once again, if men are still forced to protect the weak ones (women, children, and the elderly), a duty they've been doing for thousands of years as members of the animal kingdom, why are we allowing women to choose not to perform **their** duty as part of members of the animal kingdom, the duty of giving birth? Why were there, after an event like WWII where ~400,000 American men died, no laws forcing women to give birth? Now you may say that this is actually a positive thing since the world is overpopulated (so their death was beneficial to the rest of us) - a statement I agree with - but doesn't that mean that it is even more vital that we allow women, potential baby machines, into the war?

ad hominem is how you prove that other people are wrong and not that you're just devoid of self awareness

nice reply to my posts, you really proved your point, what a master debater you are

cub has a pretty narrow world view if read her past posts in other discussion threads

disregard

roadman says

DrPeePee says

Roadman isn't in the infantry because other people's lives are at risk, and biologically, he is weaker. End of discussion.

You're not wrong. Most army blokes are stacked. I am not.

so what you're saying is that you're not looking for men, you're looking for strong people, of which not all men are

look, if you want strong people, just say you want strong people. i dont get why people cant figure this out. yes, that's generally men, yes, you'll get mostly men, but isnt that what you expect anyway

if there happens to be women who outperform some men, are you going to replace them with weaker men because muh black and white worldview?

It's not a fistfight, but you have to be able to carry injured regiment mates, carry large equipment over long distances, and etc.

Floor says

DrPeePee says

SMH at ppl who wanna abolish the draft. Does it suck? Yes. But when the country is on the line either some of us die now or all future generations die.

That's not how todays modern warfare even works. There's no need for a draft. If a modern country wanted to wage war on another modern country it'd be over very fast with todays technology.

What I'm saying is there's no point for a draft cause we'd all be dead or the war would be over if we were in a point were a draft was somehow needed.

modern warfare is about intelligence

send nerds to the front line

roadman says

Women aren't in the infantry because other people's lives are at risk, and biologically, they are weaker. End of discussion.

but war isnt a fistfight

u gotta have like appropriate places to remember and listen to those good old songs tho

but then new shinier songs came along and it was left forgotten

wow that's a good song it used to be my fave

tbh i didn't read half of it lol, but here have a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE

thx so much guys

ya it was good

Sigh is actually talking sense. Well done. It's a bit messy though, women and children first and all that.

it's also why men die earlier bc of testosterone and why sexual selection is by females in all species like god knows what hes doing guys #godrocks

and like maybe if u think about it only men going off to war is them subconciously knowing they are the inferior gender, biologically speaking and they know that they r expendable and the must protect the #women

men are actually supposed to die, they are biologically less important than women because women are the ones that give birth. males in pretty much all species just have the role of fertilizing eggs and they are usually more mobile (especially in plants) so there is more dispersal for genetic variation.
when you calculate the population growth rate of a species you have to take into account if there is an uneven sex ratio because males are useless without females, and population growth rates are controlled by how many females you have (because males can impregnate more than 1 female at a time, whereas females can only be pregnant once at any given time).

so by sending males off to war nothing really gets affected, males are meant to be the cannon fodder that biology doesnt care about. even those spider ladies eat their husbands bc they are expendable

in a sense being a male is suffering but really being alive at all is suffering bc we all die in the end

this is like biologically speaking though i think every brain, male or female is equal and important

die and take a few with you, mind you