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panthero73mon 24d

Blacklist setups if it is not a pointfarm

Just because you do not like the setup or you do not understand the setup it does not mean it is not viable for ranked play.

there is absolutely no need to blacklist any setup for red hearts if it is not a pointfarm.

the training noobs wont play the setups that we played in comp lobby

so i am making new setups that we can play for fun.

those setups are not pointfarms.

they are fun setups that we enjoy

let us enjoy those setups in red heart.

dont go around abusing your power to ruin our fun

there is no such thing as "not viable for ranked play" if it is not pointfarm

if the game ends night 1 it is unranked anyways

every setup has something to it

the training players never hipfire or kill randomly as vig like the comp trolls did

they try and learn new fun setups that are small and seem interesting to them

i made a 5 jailer setup and then negged it myself because it was broken

but giga has no right to blacklist any other setup which is not a pointfarm. just coz he doesnt like the setup he blacklists it.

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StevenAug 28, 2014
Mandevian's setup almost definitely falls under the 5 minute rule, and I'd be incredibly surprised otherwise
GigaAug 28, 2014!
Steven
just stop making up any new ones and banning setups arbitrarily.
Where on earth are you getting this from
StevenAug 28, 2014
Giga
Steven
just stop making up any new ones and banning setups arbitrarily.
Where on earth are you getting this from
The past few months? Please don't make me quote examples of threads/setups that broke no official rule and are blacklisted because they looked funny
StevenAug 28, 2014!
Nonon
well steven i would argue that nothing should be more scumsided than SDS regardless of A&D's sitting. i was happy with A&D before it got remade when it sat at SDS's level
Sure, like I said, balance is a valid point if you want to argue that. But then the question would be "where" to draw the line, and like I said it depends on a few factors, none of which were actually closely evaluated IMO. If they were, it could be the case that SDS's imbalance is exactly borderline and therefore anything higher (such as A&D) should be banned from comp games, and that would be completely fine. But I dont believe for a second that the mods didnt just want to ban A&D, made a list of things wrong with it, and then decided to apply the %win ban after already having decided that A&D should be banned, realizing that that would be the best reason to ban it, if you get what I mean
PaulAtreidesAug 28, 2014
nobody grudge lynched you giga, tell me what reason do any of those players have to grudge you???
BetrayalAug 28, 2014
mods can blacklist whatever they want
deletedAug 29, 2014
Go gentle into that good night
deletedAug 29, 2014
Yawn.
mandevianAug 29, 2014
being scumsided is no grounds for banning a setup. it was banned because bronto couldnt play it.
mandevianAug 29, 2014
you had to wait for that setup to finish 20 games and see the average time taken.
deletedAug 29, 2014
mad.
FriedChcknAug 29, 2014
+10
Why are you guys comparing setups like A&D that involve scumhunting during the day to something like that vig setup where everyone takes everything into their own hands at night and it can easily end in about a day? I don't know about what is and isn't blacklisted, but my opinion as a semi-casual, semi-competitive player is to only blacklist pointfarms and leave all the roles unblacklisted. I enjoy being able to play a wide variety of roles and setups- I could understand some restrictions back when it was Training Lobby, but in Main Lobby most things should be allowed.
mandevianAug 29, 2014
FriedChckn
Why are you guys comparing setups like A&D that involve scumhunting during the day to something like that vig setup where everyone takes everything into their own hands at night and it can easily end in about a day? I don't know about what is and isn't blacklisted, but my opinion as a semi-casual, semi-competitive player is to only blacklist pointfarms and leave all the roles unblacklisted. I enjoy being able to play a wide variety of roles and setups- I could understand some restrictions back when it was Training Lobby, but in Main Lobby most things should be allowed.
1- who asked u to comment

2- read before u comment

3- it was not for competitive play, only red hearts

red hearts does not harm anyone
deletedAug 29, 2014
it is epicmafia related issue
deletedAug 29, 2014
Im not really sure why you bother blacklisting red hearts now
gistofeverythingAug 29, 2014
Points matter now?
deletedAug 29, 2014
ark
Jupiter
As long as the setups aren't being used to pointfarm, I'm personally fine with it. But setups that tend to end quick can also be easily used to pointfarm, and if it gets to that point it should probably be blacklisted.
Games shouldn't average less than 5 minutes and shouldn't allow a d1 autowin situation due to mechanics not player ups.
sweet dreams
mandevianAug 29, 2014
Sachy
Im not really sure why you bother blacklisting red hearts now
exactly
bansheewhatJul 15, 2020
My take on how can a setup avoid being blacklisted (2020):

Setup has to be near 55% town win rate at most (thriller is 57% when played optimally, its 66% right now because of noobs who doesnt eat for jailer n1 -sevenseas, ex mod)

Hidden rule is that (THIS IS MY TAKE AND SOLELY MY TAKE) it can have a 99% win rate AS MAF or whichever faction constitute the "informed minority", a cocos variant of blues instead of bp (that would be garbage but for the sake of the argument because no doubt that would make it harder to win for town) probably wouldnt be blacklisted (although no one would play them) and the reason for this is because "pointfarm" requires plenty of people ripping off points easily.

It needs 5-25 players (4p setups cant be played ranked, bsm pmed me i cant make setups beyond 25p bc it will clog the lobby or something)

Some rules on 3rd parties, such as 3way factions (cult et al) should stay 33/33/33 at most 40 to 45 for one faction??? and 3way with two factions (possible joints, lyncher fool killer angel etc) needs 50 with maf+3rd =50 ish like cocos or reverse (cocos has 51% town win rate, mafia + killer has around 48% combined but mafia has a slightly better win rate than killer)

We want to have fun

this is our lobby
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