over 9 years

Blacklist setups if it is not a pointfarm

Just because you do not like the setup or you do not understand the setup it does not mean it is not viable for ranked play.

there is absolutely no need to blacklist any setup for red hearts if it is not a pointfarm.

the training noobs wont play the setups that we played in comp lobby

so i am making new setups that we can play for fun.

those setups are not pointfarms.

they are fun setups that we enjoy

let us enjoy those setups in red heart.

dont go around abusing your power to ruin our fun

there is no such thing as "not viable for ranked play" if it is not pointfarm

if the game ends night 1 it is unranked anyways

every setup has something to it

the training players never hipfire or kill randomly as vig like the comp trolls did

they try and learn new fun setups that are small and seem interesting to them

i made a 5 jailer setup and then negged it myself because it was broken

but giga has no right to blacklist any other setup which is not a pointfarm. just coz he doesnt like the setup he blacklists it.

We want to have fun
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this is our lobby
over 9 years

Sachy says

Im not really sure why you bother blacklisting red hearts now


exactly
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ark says


Jupiter says

As long as the setups aren't being used to pointfarm, I'm personally fine with it. But setups that tend to end quick can also be easily used to pointfarm, and if it gets to that point it should probably be blacklisted.


Games shouldn't average less than 5 minutes and shouldn't allow a d1 autowin situation due to mechanics not player ups.


sweet dreams
over 9 years
Points matter now?
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Im not really sure why you bother blacklisting red hearts now
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it is epicmafia related issue
over 9 years

FriedChckn says

Why are you guys comparing setups like A&D that involve scumhunting during the day to something like that vig setup where everyone takes everything into their own hands at night and it can easily end in about a day? I don't know about what is and isn't blacklisted, but my opinion as a semi-casual, semi-competitive player is to only blacklist pointfarms and leave all the roles unblacklisted. I enjoy being able to play a wide variety of roles and setups- I could understand some restrictions back when it was Training Lobby, but in Main Lobby most things should be allowed.


1- who asked u to comment

2- read before u comment

3- it was not for competitive play, only red hearts

red hearts does not harm anyone
over 9 years
Why are you guys comparing setups like A&D that involve scumhunting during the day to something like that vig setup where everyone takes everything into their own hands at night and it can easily end in about a day? I don't know about what is and isn't blacklisted, but my opinion as a semi-casual, semi-competitive player is to only blacklist pointfarms and leave all the roles unblacklisted. I enjoy being able to play a wide variety of roles and setups- I could understand some restrictions back when it was Training Lobby, but in Main Lobby most things should be allowed.
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mad.
over 9 years
you had to wait for that setup to finish 20 games and see the average time taken.
over 9 years
being scumsided is no grounds for banning a setup. it was banned because bronto couldnt play it.
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Yawn.
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Go gentle into that good night
over 9 years
mods can blacklist whatever they want
over 9 years
nobody grudge lynched you giga, tell me what reason do any of those players have to grudge you???
over 9 years

Nonon says

well steven i would argue that nothing should be more scumsided than SDS regardless of A&D's sitting. i was happy with A&D before it got remade when it sat at SDS's level


Sure, like I said, balance is a valid point if you want to argue that. But then the question would be "where" to draw the line, and like I said it depends on a few factors, none of which were actually closely evaluated IMO. If they were, it could be the case that SDS's imbalance is exactly borderline and therefore anything higher (such as A&D) should be banned from comp games, and that would be completely fine. But I dont believe for a second that the mods didnt just want to ban A&D, made a list of things wrong with it, and then decided to apply the %win ban after already having decided that A&D should be banned, realizing that that would be the best reason to ban it, if you get what I mean
over 9 years

Giga says


Steven says

just stop making up any new ones and banning setups arbitrarily.


Where on earth are you getting this from


The past few months? Please don't make me quote examples of threads/setups that broke no official rule and are blacklisted because they looked funny
over 9 years

Steven says

just stop making up any new ones and banning setups arbitrarily.


Where on earth are you getting this from
over 9 years
Mandevian's setup almost definitely falls under the 5 minute rule, and I'd be incredibly surprised otherwise
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well steven i would argue that nothing should be more scumsided than SDS regardless of A&D's sitting. i was happy with A&D before it got remade when it sat at SDS's level
over 9 years

mandevian says

explain how it is pointfarm? it is day start setup. people scumhunt day1 and lynch someone. then vig can shoot at night. if vig shoots maf target the vig dies too. everybody has a chance to vote their fos at night. but they have to be smart about it. vig can decide to not shoot if it is not required. this setup was being played only the second time and giga blacklisted it without knowing it was day start. then he joined the game to tell us it was blacklisted. everybody just felt depressed and ended the game immediately.


Actually no they all just grudgelynched me and the game ended on Night 2
over 9 years
Technically, a well-made balance cutoff would have to be adjusted for setup size too. Or %chance of rolling xyz sides rather.
over 9 years
Everyone knows that balance, although a legitimate reason to ban a setup for competitive play, was drawn exactly on the line of A&D simply to ban A&D.

It could have easily been given an extra percent and allowed it or an extra less and get SDS banned too. But they chose exactly that much just for banning A&D, which is kind of unfair if you think about it. Same for the townsided setups that were banned.
over 9 years
A&D isn't balanced tho it's hella scumsided
over 9 years
D1 autowin possibility does not disallow a setup either. There have been setups comped that have say a 2% chance of D1 autowin, etc (such as oracle+cop guilty on second mafia combo in 2 mafia setups, or BG+cop, etc)
over 9 years
There are actual comp/ranked rules (5 min average over 20 games for example), just stop making up any new ones and banning setups arbitrarily.

And there's a bunch of roles still unfairly banned from main lobby